GOOD lasting decks that you took down from the arena.

[Selvaria]

Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. - Matthew 7:9-12

Oh I know one guy:

Also, I think that the bad decks should be saved, not the best of the best. The bad decks give people ideas without allowing them to copy something and do well with it.

You know that's not very nice right?

Actually I think root's opinion had its merit, however too many good decks have already been posted. Like in CL people can just use posted decks and win.
I don't like to use others' deck but, it's too tempting, I just used bonebolt at my last PvP.

[Toge111]

You know that's not very nice right?

- What's not nice? That this guy dares to suggest we should flood the forums with BAD DECKS so to intentionally misguide new players. Not a very sociable chap I'd wager.

[jmdt]

I post good decks.  What other people do with them is another matter.  Better seeing a variety than 500 oraclebows.

[RootRanger]

You know that's not very nice right?

- What's not nice? That this scumbag dares to suggest we should flood the forums with BAD DECKS so to intentionally misguide new players. Not a very sociable chap I'd wager.

I just said that the bad decks shouldn't be deleted and that I shouldn't be expected to post good decks if I don't want to.
You've misunderstood my points, ignored my arguments, and insulted me multiple times. I'm surprised I even bother replying.
I also gave reasons about my points and you still ignore them. If you want to continue this, please, actually hold a decent argument.

[Toge111]

I post good decks.  What other people do with them is another matter.  Better seeing a variety than 500 oraclebows.

- That's what makes you the life of forums, so to speak 
Which reminds me to go add some +rep for the good decks.

[gourgou]

I did a post in essense's but i will post here as well i think my deck deserves that .
Rank 7 ATM i will put it down today cause tomorrow its hp is gonna drop big time....

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[Rastafla]

Wanna ratings? My deck did pretty well. It had 104-5 yesterday night, but now with this HP level, I suppose its much weaker. Looks like its time to create an adrenaline deck.


Anyway, I feel unconfortable about posting it. And I dont like the fact you guys are posting all these powerful decks here. Whats the next step? Create threads about the best decks you can construct with each cards? lol, lets avoid that I admit I would be less creative and would try a lot less to develop my own deck if there were already a collection of great decks to be copy-pasted.

Of course, I wont ask people to discontinue it, I just wont participate.

also a reply to Parasite99, Asinickle, wavedash and others who doesn't want to share their decks. They AREN'T secret and will never be, all it takes is for someone to face them to figure out how they work. The reason no deck remains a secret ever is that in every CL/BL or Tournament or Event you always figure the opponents deck out and copies it. Any respectable deckbuilder and theorist does this in mere minutes, I certainly do and builds a counter or perfects their deck just as easy. Its utterly pointless to try, the only thing we can do is to constantly build new decks and perfect old ones and incorporate new ideas to them. (hence an archive of good decks)

An IMPORTANT reason to share decks is that it will increase the quality of the Arena and we all want that. Players can't reliably counter everything most of the time and the people who doesn't pay heed to the forum will still hammer away at the arena with subpar submissions, I for one see a hell of a lot of crappy decks in gold and platinum. You are still going to rack up the wins due to the bonuses. Also posting all the successful decks will lessen the generic rainbow decks I hope. Without sharing info we can't work to make a better arena quickly enough, I have come to believe that we have few competent deck builders considering that rank 100+ pose little threat.

I am largely disappointed with what i face and this should help that.

Hehe rastafla I remember seeing your gravity nymph deck and being SO jealous you got one :p  I think I got locked down on turn 3 with black hole spam and just quit.

I would have preferred to get charger or gravity tower as i already have 4 amber nymphs. My deck could easily have been improved by swapping 2 out of the forced 5 nymphs into something else and just bringing 3 of my own ambers. Because in testing the AI often played overdrive on the nymph (which was the only creature in play) even though that was a bad choice

Please when posting put bigger images within spoilers

[parasite99]

I still prefer people use their brains and make a deck after they face it, even if it will not be the same or so effective, than everyone reading a thread and without thinking submitting a deck for any card they got from oracle. I don't like to see the same deck for each card by everyone. I don't have anything against you Rastafla, I just have a different opinion about these kind of topics.

I know it's so tempting to choose a deck that someone had tried before and I also did it many times in the past.
It will remove the variety that arena has at this point though amd that is something I don't think anyone wants to see.

I also played MtG for many years ,but I am fairly new to Elements. Deckbuilding was allways a challenge and the most exciting part of those games.
There is nothing more rewarding than making your own deck and see it work well.
Also changing 1-2 cards in your deck may have huge results differneces on these games and that's the reason I dont think people will be more succesfull than the deck creator when they will try to copy from what they saw during a game.

- I know that in Elements cards don't change so often, so there will be some very powerfull decks that are stronger for a given card. But I really want to restrict it even to myself using other people decks (while it is so tempting) and I can't even resist on doing so if there is a whole list of decks that work well in Arena. As I said before imho it would be more helpfull submitting decks that work well vs Arena than what to submit decks for every card Oracle gives you. Let people play vs Arena and if they figure out some decks they can use it. At least they will use their brain and play some games during that time and probably learn something through that proccess.

[omegareaper7]

Just took down my 7 day long ghostmare, which was 100/7. I can't really be bothered to find the exact build.

[Rastafla]

I believe that you all overestimate what people are capable of submitting into the arena. Just because a deck is given doesn't mean that everyone with that card will suddenly use a deck that correspond to it. Few are rich in this game and even fewer read the forum. Very few people have anything outside the standard FG farming decks and ai3 + old t50 farmer. This is probably the reason why so many decks in the arena is crap.

Also changing 1-2 cards in your deck may have huge results differneces on these games and that's the reason I dont think people will be more succesfull than the deck creator when they will try to copy from what they saw during a game.

If you at all are capable of copying a deck this is no problem whatsoever, whats best is easy to figure out with a little testing and thinking. Also filling out the blanks is easy with everything but rainbows and those can be done once you know the meta game.

People share decks all the time vs the AI and this is the same but in reverse since its not you who are playing someone else, its the AI playing for you. There is no satisfaction when the AI will simply butcher the deck and not play it to the best of the decks ability and you are not in control.

The end result is the same in both cases, you get coins and the opposition becomes stronger and everyone wins. Withholding deck information changes nothing except making the evolution of better decks slower.

[Essence]

I think it's hypocritical to say out of one side of your mouth that the Arena is too uniform/predictable and then out the other side say that you're unwilling to share your tech.  Sharing tech is how you teach people how to do things other than what they're currently doing.

[parasite99]

I just don't get what you are trying to do here?
Are you trying to make Arena even harder?
If everyone reading the forums can submit a deck that was at top 10 (if they have the cards) then that exactly will happen.

I see all over on the forums (and chat) people complaining about the amount of games they get on their decks. Rewards are low (as some say - and I agree) and platinum is atm very hard to beat by most people, since decks tend to have tremendous amounds of PC or healing.

If you want even less people to play Arena then it will be also pointless for forum members to know what decks to use. I hope all this won't turn into a "boomerang" and make more harm than good.

As I said before, I also have copied other member's decks that were posted in the past (some times I try to tweak or mod them to my needs or thoughts and sometimes I use them unchanged)  and may do it again if I feel that way. There are times when you don't have time to build a deck after work, or no idea in which deck to use a card in, or even don't have the cards for a deck you wanted to make. So some times you have to throw a card in a deck to submit something for that day. Some of these decks also worked really well against all expectations.
I am also willing to help anyone who needs help in his deck and asks how to improve it. But it's gonna be HIS deck and we can help with suggestions and tips to make it work better. I just disagree with having a big list to choose from when you get X card from Oracle.

That's all I wanted to say and hope you understand my point. It is my opinion and as anyone's opinion it can be wrong or stupid, but it is not hypocritical as Essence said (I don't know if it was meant to be about me or everyone disagreeing) because what you are trying to do here will make Arena more "uniform/predictable" than it already is. Also Rastafla you did mention me and 2 other new guys in your reply about disagreeing. Though I think Marv, Root, Selvaria and Hodari (with some new suggestion about removing older decks) also disagreed with that kind of topic, so I mention them since I agree with their opinion.

Also once again I know how much Rastafla and Eseence did (and do) for this community and I appreciate everything. I also learned alot from your posts guys!
It just happens that I have a different opinion on this subject.

P.S. - English is not my native language and I am trying to express myself as good as I can.