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Re: Banning Supernova and Quantum Tower from Arena https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg361008#msg361008
« Reply #96 on: July 05, 2011, 08:16:04 am »
nothing needs to be removed, i have no problem beating these decks.  i think this thread is just a place to complain about losing to something too hard for some people.  here is a suggestion, make a better deck

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How about instead of complaining about cards, you complain about the fact that your deck can become inactive without it ever playing a game.  my new deck i put up has played 1 and lost but it went down from 257 to 360, whether or not it plays another game, it could break 500 and become inactive.

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Re: Banning Supernova and Quantum Tower from Arena https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg361033#msg361033
« Reply #97 on: July 05, 2011, 09:30:31 am »
nothing needs to be removed, i have no problem beating these decks.  i think this thread is just a place to complain about losing to something too hard for some people.  here is a suggestion, make a better deck

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How about instead of complaining about cards, you complain about the fact that your deck can become inactive without it ever playing a game.  my new deck i put up has played 1 and lost but it went down from 257 to 360, whether or not it plays another game, it could break 500 and become inactive.
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The result is that at least half the decks you play against are basically the same thing.

If Supernova and Quantum Towers were banned, it would force people to try and use their cards, or at least give a bit more variety.

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Re: Banning Supernova and Quantum Tower from Arena https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg361037#msg361037
« Reply #98 on: July 05, 2011, 09:37:48 am »
This thread seems very strange to me. Lots of people are complaining about how platinum is too hard, or too boring. With conditions like that, I'd think that no one would try to challenge those repetitive decks that constantly beat everyone down so hard. People are surely voting with their feet and playing against the weaker leagues in arena instead of throwing themselves against the same wall repeatedly. Then I pull up the game and I see that everyone is playing platinum and no one is playing gold, so it can't be that bad for everyone. If platinum is too hard for you, you probably should move down to gold. In my experience the gold decks have a better variety and are easier to beat. I was honing my deck last night and was getting EM wins in about half of my games against gold, that's a cool 300 :electrum per game.

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Re: Banning Supernova and Quantum Tower from Arena https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg361040#msg361040
« Reply #99 on: July 05, 2011, 10:00:09 am »
I did not vote in the poll, because I feel the results are very two-sided. Partially, it would sure to get rid of the most annoying (and boring somewhat) decks floating around - which are, with False God powers, are really hard to take on sometimes -, but on the other hand, Quantum Towers and Supernovae can be also the spine of some very interesting, even creative and original decks. Although sadly, there's not much experimenting around lately, as I see it, especially in the Arena.

The best target(s) for a possible banning, in my opinion, would be the shards; as there is a reason why False Gods too are prohibited from using them. It is a solution that would cripple some of the decks in subject too, though, it would still leave a notable amount untouched.
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Re: Banning Supernova and Quantum Tower from Arena https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg361049#msg361049
« Reply #100 on: July 05, 2011, 10:18:17 am »
Old poll locked and new one with more options added.

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Re: Banning Supernova and Quantum Tower from Arena (New Poll added) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg361054#msg361054
« Reply #101 on: July 05, 2011, 10:30:18 am »
SoG,maybe sanctuary too,is not funny to be deck-outed by 12 SoG's and rest pillars and sanctuaryes.
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Re: Banning Supernova and Quantum Tower from Arena (New Poll added) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg361060#msg361060
« Reply #102 on: July 05, 2011, 10:48:37 am »
Bring a Pulvy.  Problem solved.

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Re: Banning Supernova and Quantum Tower from Arena (New Poll added) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg361061#msg361061
« Reply #103 on: July 05, 2011, 10:52:36 am »
How about instead of banning cards , If Dexterity = 2 ( Double deck/draw ) then you can't have more than 3(?) of the same card in your arena deck .

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Re: Banning Supernova and Quantum Tower from Arena (New Poll added) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg361066#msg361066
« Reply #104 on: July 05, 2011, 11:04:02 am »
How about instead of banning cards , If Dexterity = 2 ( Double deck/draw ) then you can't have more than 3(?) of the same card in your arena deck .
In that case no one will use Dexterity.

Bring a Pulvy.  Problem solved.
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Re: Banning Supernova and Quantum Tower from Arena (New Poll added) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg361139#msg361139
« Reply #105 on: July 05, 2011, 02:20:41 pm »
I'm confused about the premise, do you mean to ban the cards entirely? or just to ban them from being the oracle given cards

I really wish pillars in general (and maybe novas) weren't spinnable in the oracle, because they aren't really cards at all, but building blocks of decks. Hmm, I'm babbling now, but you know what I mean.

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Re: Banning Supernova and Quantum Tower from Arena https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg361162#msg361162
« Reply #106 on: July 05, 2011, 03:10:03 pm »
How about instead of complaining about cards, you complain about the fact that your deck can become inactive without it ever playing a game.  my new deck i put up has played 1 and lost but it went down from 257 to 360, whether or not it plays another game, it could break 500 and become inactive.
This has more to do with the fact that losses have a huge impact on rating. If your deck doesn't have an 80%+ win rate from the get go it's going to flush out pretty quickly.

By the same token, though, a deck can climb back up in the rankings pretty easily as other decks get wiped out. Just because a deck hits 500 doesn't mean it will never get played again--there's a good chance that a bunch of decks above it will get drummed out to make room again, so you often get a second shot. If you lose again at that point, though, you're pretty much outta luck.

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Re: Banning Supernova and Quantum Tower from Arena (New Poll added) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg361369#msg361369
« Reply #107 on: July 05, 2011, 10:50:26 pm »
How about instead of banning cards , If Dexterity = 2 ( Double deck/draw ) then you can't have more than 3(?) of the same card in your arena deck .
In that case no one will use Dexterity.

Bring a Pulvy.  Problem solved.
I can't use pulvy with RoL/hope.
Bring another deck.  No deck can win vs everything; expecting to float through Arena like you can AI3 or halfbloods is completely wrong.

 

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