Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll)

[ddevans96]

The system is bunk right now, and players take advantage of it by grinding 1HP decks, so I don't have an issue with defending decks doing the same. Especially since it barely matters on the attacking end, grinding is still super efficient regardless of how you choose to handle fresh decks.

[Manuel]

I hoped there was some irony. Because you don't have to be a good player to add a cheesy tactic to net some more wins. Yeah, I do that sometimes, too
(especially when I don't get a nice card to make another plat deck, or my current deck is top 5-ish), but calling a player "smart" because he is doing a
cheese-fest, nah. Especially when he is doing that for months.

cheesy? it's a 50 coinflip hoping to play 2 pillars and one sod in the first turn AT BEST

if i have this

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i need to change it into this

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i lose a lot of utility cards and i lose the air mark, all this for hoping my opponent can't deal damage in the first turn and i can fuel a single sod

i posted last day a counter for sod decks, like players in 2014 played purify in every deck or massive healing for counter sosac they will learn to farm with sopa
when swallow or pdials was the best way to farm sod decks like these was even more stronger:

swallow totally lacks damage without sopa (waiting 2 turns for fuel sopa + 1 turn of boost)
pdials always suffered of weird mulligan for 6 dials and 7(?) pillars, so wasn't really easy draw 2 pillars + poison in the first turn

now sod decks are a lot weaker until u put damage in it, even if the deck is totally inverted, for example the same monoair i posted with damsel as oracle card is turned into this

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is totally weaker, i invest 5 + 2 card slots only for keeping alive the deck losing a lot of speed

if i turn the deck into a semistall

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i lack cc i lack a wincon and i can't play more cards since i need to keep the deck smaller for drawing sods

[Wyand]

I hoped there was some irony. Because you don't have to be a good player to add a cheesy tactic to net some more wins. Yeah, I do that sometimes, too
(especially when I don't get a nice card to make another plat deck, or my current deck is top 5-ish), but calling a player "smart" because he is doing a
cheese-fest, nah. Especially when he is doing that for months.

cheesy? it's a 50 coinflip hoping to play 2 pillars and one sod in the first turn AT BEST

That's certainly the thing which makes it cheesy. You can easily insert 6 sods + a few miracles into any kind of plat decks.
Of course you will lose some edge, it is normal, you put stall cards into your deck.

But from this point it is just a matter of taste. You like SoD, while I don't when it is about arena decks, because it ruins
bronze/silver/gold and stains platinum. That's why I think it shouldn't be permitted for decks older than 10 days,
because after that it is just trolling the original spirit of arena.

And yeah, we can use anti-SoD decks for farming, but boy, are they tedious. Using Mutations and/or SoSe is much more fun,
and since I can allow myself not to farm at 100% efficiency I choose that.

[Manuel]

Of course you will lose some edge, it is normal, you put stall cards into your deck.

But from this point it is just a matter of taste. You like SoD, while I don't when it is about arena decks, because it ruins
bronze/silver/gold and stains platinum. That's why I think it shouldn't be permitted for decks older than 10 days,
because after that it is just trolling the original spirit of arena.

And yeah, we can use anti-SoD decks for farming, but boy, are they tedious. Using Mutations and/or SoSe is much more fun,
and since I can allow myself not to farm at 100% efficiency I choose that.

i know is easier think to ban a card or flag the posts of people u don't like but is a lot easier adapt to it
wanna play mutations? u have ai4, u can even farm fg with a mutation deck until u mod it, back in the days was impossible think to have fun while grinding plat

[Wyand]

But from this point it is just a matter of taste.

I'm not the type who likes to adapt to rules which I deem bad. And yeah, back in the days...

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[Manuel]

 

[shockcannon]

Here's a brilliant idea. We ban you two noobs from arena. Problem solved.


 

[Wyand]

how about not trolling?

[Manuel]

necro'ing and bring out a discussion based on personal taste ignoring explanations of other players on why that particular thing is more beneficial than harmful >>> trolling

 

[Wyand]

I'm really sorry that I wasn't here around 2011, shame on me. Your explanation wasn't ignored, that's why I said that our opinions
largely differ, pointless to argue about it. Explanation doesn't equal ABSOLUTE TRUTH - btw I explained my opinion, too -,
we could just shut down the forum if things would work like this.

[Manuel]

there is a small difference between ablosute truth and recognize why a card is made and how it works

dbh, monodarkness and any well built denial deck are able to permalock even at 1 hp if u don't play a zero hitter in the first turn, there are no opinion on this is how the game is designed, explaining this isn't trolling and there is no reason to cry about closing the forum lmao, sod decks are at same level of these deck u can play around it like u can be totally unlucky and lose

 

[serprex]

Honestly this necro has been so confusing that only someone like Manuel would bother to try help Wyand understand his err

Arena is broken because of 1hp & NaN, not SoD. Original post was about when shards were colorless. I wasn't around for that, but my understanding is that it was a much more broken meta than the modern QQ over sopa/sofr. So Wyand's necro'd some now irrelevant topic with a total off topic tangent that nobody can even understand the inspiration for. It's okay to not've been around in 2011, but if you're going to necro have context. Back in 2011 there was a chance that things could change (in fact, they did), but do you really think Zanz is going to come back just to ban SoD from arena??!?!?

Is Wyand proof that we live in simulated reality??