Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll)

[Jenkar]

I'm in top 10 in plat. My deck run 0 Sn and 0 QT (0BH and grav nymph too)

The problem is not in the difficulty of rainbows, but in their number :3

[ralouf]

In this point I totally agree with you.

But I hope this is just due to the fact that it is the begining of the arena and then player will open their mind a little a try to build something that a 70 cards speedbow or a 120 cards timelamebow.. I run a duo deck and I'm in top 10 so that is a proof it is not needed to play a lamebow to success.

Maybe should we allow an help to player who try to build original/creative deck ? I mean the deck helper can help to build something else than a bow. I hope this will be a good way to see some news things in arena and then give more fun to all !

[BluePriest]

If you restrict rainbows, then all that will happen is all the pulverizer decks will look the same, all the Photon decks will look the same ect ect ect. Eiither that or platinum will become less worthy because instead of throwing in rainbows that can hold up a fight if a monkey builds them, people will try to make good non rainbow decks, however they wont test them, so they will be weak and platinum league will end up being boring.

Oh, yeah, I forgot this. Platinum league people are stupid and unable to test their own non-rainbow decks. They need a monkey built rainbow deck for sure. Good to know. Even more because I know Im also stupid and unable to test my deck. +1 blue.

Since I am quite sure this is sarcasm... There are 500+ people in platinum. Im sure quite a few of them will test their deck. I'm also sure quite a few of them won't. I don't test any of my decks. All I do is think of a non rainbow concept, and put it together. No testing at all. I use the arena as my testing ground.

I'm in top 10 in plat. My deck run 0 Sn and 0 QT (0BH and grav nymph too)

The problem is not in the difficulty of rainbows, but in their number :3

The problem will probably become the difficulty (or lack thereof) if these cards are restricted.

Maybe should we allow an help to player who try to build original/creative deck ? I mean the deck helper can help to build something else than a bow. I hope this will be a good way to see some news things in arena and then give more fun to all !

The thing is, how many good decks can you build that have 5 pulverizers? Sure, people want a creative deck. That is probably their 2nd priority. The first one being win rate. So all pulverizers decks will end up looking the same. Sure there will be more variety as far as deck type. But everyone of a specific card will have essentially the same deck still.

[ralouf]

I think that 5 pulvy isn't a good example I'm quite sure a boring deck with pulvy + BH + amber nymph + shrieker + momentum can have a quite good win rate. But yeah I understand what you mean.. However the deck I used for fun is (or was cuz i had another loose yet in top 10 and I never thought that it will win anything.

What i'm trying to say is that some deck (originial obv) can be suprisingly good maybe because they are original.. So I think that every one must try original deck.

Otherwise I thought it : maybe using a shard (not yellow) should cost skill point ?

[Marvaddin]

If you restrict rainbows, then all that will happen is all the pulverizer decks will look the same, all the Photon decks will look the same ect ect ect. Eiither that or platinum will become less worthy because instead of throwing in rainbows that can hold up a fight if a monkey builds them, people will try to make good non rainbow decks, however they wont test them, so they will be weak and platinum league will end up being boring.

Oh, yeah, I forgot this. Platinum league people are stupid and unable to test their own non-rainbow decks. They need a monkey built rainbow deck for sure. Good to know. Even more because I know Im also stupid and unable to test my deck. +1 blue.

Since I am quite sure this is sarcasm... There are 500+ people in platinum. Im sure quite a few of them will test their deck. I'm also sure quite a few of them won't. I don't test any of my decks. All I do is think of a non rainbow concept, and put it together. No testing at all. I use the arena as my testing ground.

Yeah, Im sorry, I really was in sarcastic mood earlier today, and I will try to avoid it. About the topic, I always test my deck. I understand some people dont do it, but even if the deck is a little crappy, it should be dangerous with all those FG advantages. And if we want estimulate players to take it more seriously, increasing / spreading rewards could be of great help. I have suggested something about this here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28398.0.html).

Anyway, people that dont test their decks should usually get less rewards or being eliminated. I think its just a matter of time Platinum has more than 500 decks, so it will start to eliminate the easier ones.

[BluePriest]

I truely believe banning certain cards will do more harm than good. I havent seen a reason to think otherwise. Instead of outright banning cards, a better idea would be to use peer pressure to make people use more original decks.

[Selvaria]

I truely believe banning certain cards will do more harm than good. I havent seen a reason to think otherwise. Instead of outright banning cards, a better idea would be to use peer pressure to make people use more original decks.

I'd say peer pressure would not work because not every elements player read the forum or whatsoever.  While nerfing some OP card like SoG might be a better idea in the long run since that card is tempting not to be put on another ~bow deck because of its flexibility, in the mean time, I personally didn't see how banning SoG will be harmful, as in my humble opinion they are there to help people "farm" and not to be dumped inside another "made your own FG" deck.

I can see how you came into your conclusion though and I think that's another way to look at it. I also think banning QT might do more harm than good.

[parasite99]

I think if SoGs were made Life cards (as Zanzarino was thinking to do) and a system like majofa suggested would exist, everything would be more balanced and work better.
If you had 3-4-5 elements to make your deck from (by oracle spin), then not everyone would use the same decks over and over again by just adding the 5 oracle cards in it and not many 12 SoGs 12 Sanctuaries decks would exist.

[Xenocidius]

I think if SoGs were made Life cards (as Zanzarino was thinking to do) and a system like majofa suggested would exist, everything would be more balanced and work better.
If you had 3-4-5 elements to make your deck from (by oracle spin), then not everyone would use the same decks over and over again by just adding the 5 oracle cards in it and not many 12 SoGs 12 Sanctuaries decks would exist.

SoGs = Life cards? Life already has enough healing, as well as the only other card with the ability regenerate. SoGs would make Life one of the most overpowered elements in the game.

In other news, good mono arena decks can be made. For instance, I got an Amber Nymph from the Oracle, so I threw together a mono gravity deck (have fun fighting it ).

And if Platinum is made up mostly of the same rainbow decks, then shouldn't making a counter be easy? If we could all use an effective counter, it would discourage players from putting up rainbows.

[parasite99]

So Hitler was not a metaphor? Wait...now I am confused  ???

Joking ofc 

[ralouf]

Sure with a voodoo deck 12 sanc and 12 SoG aren't a matter at all

[bucky1andonly]

hitler was not a hidden metaphor, was blatantly obvious
ralouf, lol, i might make a deck like that but i havent seen any in the arena yet