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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg362838#msg362838
« Reply #180 on: July 08, 2011, 04:10:28 pm »
Even though I'm not necessarily in line with Bucky's comparisons, I totally agree that things should stay the way they are.
Most people who complain about Cards being op and wanting restrictions seem to be the ones losing against the higher leagues, but these are indeed not there to be beaten easily or with unupped beginner decks, Platinum decks are meant to be close to unbeatable to newbies (as are FG's)

No experienced player seems to have problems with these decks or the (lack of) deck variety you face in the Platinum league.

I find it has always been like that, even with the old t50, there have always been "decks of the moment", at some point, all you faced was Rol/Hope, another time GotP/Nightmare, then you felt like all you faced was Fire Stalls or I've GotP time...so now it's Rainbow decks... where's the problem?

As Bucky said, if you can't beat them, play a lower league.

My system to avoid being bored: I play one match in each league, Bronze to Platinum, then I start over, trying to get the extra-spin in every league, this way, I play a great variety of decks and every league is actually interesting.

So no limits, no restrictions, I like the Arena the way it is.
First of all, do you think you are more experienced than members who suggested changes? I don't think so.
You probably didn't understand that some people want to make Arena more interesting. And that goes for deck-builders and also players facing the decks. It isn't fun facing a 500hp deckout-deck or almost the same (rainbow) decks over and over again. It's also not fun having the same rainbow or stall deck and just put whatever 5 cards in it.
IT IS NOT FUN NOR FOR THE GUY BUILDING THE DECK NOR FOR PLAYERS FACING IT.

This is a game and as a game it must be fun above all.
I really support excluding SoGs (it's absurd having 12 sancts and 12 sogs in a deck) and a system like majofa suggested or something similar which will force people to be more creative. Bronze and Silver could have less restrictions so that newer players can still build some decks and submit it with their limited cards.

Even if Arena means prestige for many people I would love to see new ideas there, new card combinations etc. Ideas you can carry on for making your FG or PvP decks. And also I dont think Arena gets you so much money after all from the deck you submitted - in whatever category you are (ok it gives more to plat, but people there don't really care about 200-300 electrum).
So why not make a duo strong deck you just figured out with the card given instead of submitting the same old stalls and rainbows with that card stuck in?

Have fun  :)

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg362840#msg362840
« Reply #181 on: July 08, 2011, 04:14:44 pm »
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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg362867#msg362867
« Reply #182 on: July 08, 2011, 04:51:55 pm »
Restricting cards does not allow for more creativity.

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You probably didn't understand that some people want to make Arena more interesting. And that goes for deck-builders and also players facing the decks.
This has nothing to do with deck builders.  If you have all the cards, then you can be as creative as you possibly can.  Restricting what cards you can use limits how creative you can get.  This is FACT not opinion.  There is no reason why the people (deck builders) can't just limit themselves personally.  Let everyone do their own thing.  If you want limits, then limit yourself daily, change up your deck based on your oracle card.  Only use the element of the card and the 2 adjacent elements on the wheel, and nothing else.  There, now deck builders have a way to limit themselves, lets see how creative they can be. 

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg362879#msg362879
« Reply #183 on: July 08, 2011, 05:32:20 pm »
Well, I tried to do a diferent deck in Gold league.
Lasted for 4 games, and dropped out.

I had Sky Blitz as the Oracle-card. Any ideas how to make a deck with 5 of those?
AI doesn't seem to know how to use it.

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg362881#msg362881
« Reply #184 on: July 08, 2011, 05:36:12 pm »
Well, I tried to do a diferent deck in Gold league.
Lasted for 4 games, and dropped out.

I had Sky Blitz as the Oracle-card. Any ideas how to make a deck with 5 of those?
AI doesn't seem to know how to use it.
Well it looks like the majority of voters don't want to see Quantum Towers and Supernovas banned, so it's safe to use those.

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg362884#msg362884
« Reply #185 on: July 08, 2011, 05:39:29 pm »
Well, I tried to do a diferent deck in Gold league.
Lasted for 4 games, and dropped out.

I had Sky Blitz as the Oracle-card. Any ideas how to make a deck with 5 of those?
AI doesn't seem to know how to use it.


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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg362895#msg362895
« Reply #186 on: July 08, 2011, 06:03:18 pm »
OK, nothing, I'll ask somewhere else.

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg362931#msg362931
« Reply #187 on: July 08, 2011, 07:27:51 pm »
If you have all the cards, then you can be as creative as you possibly can.  Restricting what cards you can use limits how creative you can get.  This is FACT not opinion.
Sure, I bet all those people submitting the same rainbow are all being 100% creative. And this is FACT, right?

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg362932#msg362932
« Reply #188 on: July 08, 2011, 07:33:22 pm »
Stupid comment from an artist. Restriction is what makes creativity in art. Say you can do everything you want, and you end up drowning in the universe of possibilities. And doing the same as others.
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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg362946#msg362946
« Reply #189 on: July 08, 2011, 07:56:06 pm »
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Sure, I bet all those people submitting the same rainbow are all being 100% creative. And this is FACT, right?
yes, yes they are.  maybe in their minds they are being creative.  not everyone uses the forum or elements chat or even kong chat, they simply play the game.  there are a lot of people that play that you will never ever talk to.  if they submit a rainbow deck everyday then one day they find out they cant, i bet they will be disappointed.  also, not all the rainbow decks are the same, majority are different in some way, so each deck will offer a different challenge of some sort.

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that is funny, i thought creativity came from inspiration.  if youre an artist with limited supplies of what ever medium you use, then yes, you have to be creative with your supplies, but the arts creativity spawns from some inspiration.

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg362958#msg362958
« Reply #190 on: July 08, 2011, 08:31:40 pm »
yes, yes they are.  maybe in their minds they are being creative.  not everyone uses the forum or elements chat or even kong chat, they simply play the game.  there are a lot of people that play that you will never ever talk to.  if they submit a rainbow deck everyday then one day they find out they cant, i bet they will be disappointed.  also, not all the rainbow decks are the same, majority are different in some way, so each deck will offer a different challenge of some sort.
Not true  -.- . It was obvious that rainbow decks in platinum are too common. Most mono or duo deck are found in the lower league, like bronze since many of the deckbuilder have limited selection of cards. Once you have every card its easy to realize that making a rainbow deck gives you a higher winning rate since a mono deck obviously had weaknesses that a single element can't cover (e.g. some element lack permanent control). Rainbow decks allow you not to consider the card that the oracle gives since a few dead draws won't make much difference.

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that is funny, i thought creativity came from inspiration.  if youre an artist with limited supplies of what ever medium you use, then yes, you have to be creative with your supplies, but the arts creativity spawns from some inspiration.
 :)) thats so off-topic. How does art creativity had anything to do with supernova, QT or SoG?Hmm...

After a 50 or so platinum arena battles that in this current state, everyone will get sick seeing another SoGs, QTs, and supernovas spam.

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Re: Banning Supernova, Quantum Tower, and SoG from Arena (Yet another new poll) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28129.msg362963#msg362963
« Reply #191 on: July 08, 2011, 08:52:09 pm »
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yes, yes they are.  maybe in their minds they are being creative.  not everyone uses the forum or elements chat or even kong chat, they simply play the game.  there are a lot of people that play that you will never ever talk to.  if they submit a rainbow deck everyday then one day they find out they cant, i bet they will be disappointed.  also, not all the rainbow decks are the same, majority are different in some way, so each deck will offer a different challenge of some sort.

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that is funny, i thought creativity came from inspiration.  if youre an artist with limited supplies of what ever medium you use, then yes, you have to be creative with your supplies, but the arts creativity spawns from some inspiration.
I find it funny that you are argueing for SoG's and not banning anything saying it brings more creativity, when your deck consists of 6 Sancs, 6 SoG's, miracles and uses your oracle card as a dead card. and you have used that setup before. You even took down your creative deck because it was not doing that well. This just proves that you need to ban certain cards to shift the balance towards more creative decks
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