Underworld's Decks

[phaedrus]

Here are the decks that are 100% confirmed.


Entropy/Darkness Duo. Strong in various scenarios. Potentially weak to EQ, heavy CC.
As of right now the plan is to only take the nightmare version.

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Who guards a trap? ie. the trap deck. Strong vs pretty much any rush. Weak vs. RT, momentum, EQ. Potential tweaks include the addition of guardian angel, purify, cheap rainbow cards in general.

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Air/death. Great vs. EQ, grounded creatures. Weak vs strong CC or deflag/steal. Tweaked to include dragons. In my opinion this is the strongest variant.

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Graboid of The Past. This is the latest version with titanium shields.

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Scrambled shriekers.

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Our Immolation deck.

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The FFQ deck

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The DOTK.

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[Neopergoss]

At some point someone is just going to have to pick their favorite variants, unless we want to start making a ton of polls asking about preferred tweaks. I'll throw in my two cents for the sake of discussion:

The entropy decks look great except that I think they'd both benefit a lot from having shields. Either darkness or entropy shields would work fine.

Really happy with the trap deck. Any of those tweaks would be fine -- guardian angel in particular sounds like it would be great. I'd probably take out a warden or an arsenic for it.

I really liked the air/death with dragonflies and dragons. Seemed to have a little extra air quanta, which is perfect because dragonflies are fragile. It gains a little more punch that way, too, which is badly needed, as well as more eq resistance.

I'm a proponent of the +titanium -hourglass idea on the time/earth deck. Might throw in eternity to replace high quanta usage of hourglasses. Enchant artifact would fit in well here, too, maybe taking out a golem or two.

I think we should really use the immo deck for its resistance to eq. It may need more testing/tweaking, though. Also, I was surprised not to see scrambled shriekers in this list. You probably forgot about it.

I like the ffq panda. I'm not sure what it would replace, though. Again, I'm iffy about hourglasses in such a small deck, especially without time mark. I'd definitely be open to including this at the cost of another deck, especially if the hourglass was taken out (minor point of contention).

The poison/CC deck looks like it would be dramatically better if we could include 6 novas. I'm not sure if it will perform as well as some of these with quantum pillars instead -- everything is so cheap that the long-term advantage of the pillars can't be leveraged. Still, it would be a good anti-rush deck.

[phaedrus]

Shriekers has been added.

I personally would be a little uncomfortable with a shield in the ent/dark deck.
I don't think we can afford dusk really. Dissipation, maybe in exchange for an abom but I prefer the punch of the abom.

I will take a better look at the air/death with dragons. That seems like it could work well. I know we have at least one vote for OEs also (shining).

I would like to see peoples takes on the grab deck. Earth vs. time pends, shields, hourglass/no hourglass etc.

The immo deck is definitely still in contention in my books too. It would also do pretty well vs denials I think.

The ffq deck wouldn't have to replace anything? We've still got vault space to fill. I'll look at an hourglass-less version, I like to get set up as fast as possible but it very well may not be worth the deck space.

[Aitvaras]

ent/dark Nightmare/Maxwell
ent/dark devo/BE
For both I simply cant find a better tweaking right now, I did think of some things I might change but thats probably just preference. So I'd say they are done.

Trap
Your tweak on my version. Probably works fine, didn't test it myself yet. Probably done.

Air/death.
There are multiple tweaks of this, and for me it's still unsure what is best. I liked my dragon version when playing it a bit, but I didn't do extensive testing so I dont have much right/reason to convince you all to use my version. Any version should be fine.

Graboid of The Past.
Fine tune this to use Titanium shields. My version (purple) or the (original) in the Deck Concepts thread should be easily converted to fit them in and still be balanced. I think the time focused version posted here is not the best one to work from when you do want Titanium shields in.

Scrambled shriekers.
My version. I liked it when I played it. I dislike using different types of pillars (it feels awkward) , so this one would be my preference for sure.

Its probably time for LongDono to simply decide on the two last decks.. or to just pick something most of us agree on now. Making the actual vault be wisely architected should be all we do the last day.

[LongDono]

You want me to decide? Very well then I will go take a look.

[LongDono]

Ok I am not liking the hourglasses in the Graboid of the past deck, RT and BB would be better and can be splashed into other decks.
Scamble shrikers is looking good, so Lets play 2. yes I honestly mean that, with Aether doing so well this makes sense.
Same goes for the trap deck.
Both are rainbows and off our salvage I am sure we can make totaly new decks So the next roudn they should not see whats coming.
They seem like they will both be very powerful decks to field round 1 and can be changed to made into other decks round 6.

Now we have 240 cards. Lets decide the rest now.
We have what 48 more cards to decide on and 8 decks? 6 cards for each deck. Low cost cards we can add in to help them counter other decks.
Trap and scamble shriker should be our first.
2 Reverse time, and 2 BBs for scamble shriker. ( to counter some decks. ) Also 1 purify. 1 extra card left.
The trap deck should have 1 labo, 2 deflag, 1 steal, 1 purify, 1 extra card.
Not sure about graboid of the past. 2 Tshields, 2 shrikers, 2 plate armor?
Air/death Side 2 mummies ( splashable, and counters time ), 1 shockwave, 1 wings, 2 extra
Entropydarkness should side 2 more steals each, and idk......

Guys help me here. We have ATLEAST 8 cards left to decide on.
 

[Neopergoss]

Guys help me here. We have ATLEAST 8 cards left to decide on.

2 flying weapon for air/death
1 angel for trap deck
2 lycans, 2 dissipation shields for entropy/darkness decks (can be upped by LT or Gen for use in other decks)
1 fog shield for scrambled shriekers
I'd replace plate armor with eternity as extras for graboid of the past. Surprised how few different weapons we have.

[phaedrus]

For the grabby deck the extras should be and eternity and 2 titaniums to replace golems unless we are going to more drastically change it because we don't want the hourglasses. I'm fine with it how it is, but the other option is something like...

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Here is a stronger version of the FFQ deck. Not sure if we're going to take this or not yet. I kinda want it just because it uses pulv.

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I updated the air/death deck with dragons but no dragonflies.
I think it is strongest this way.

I am ok with taking two of either scrambled or trap, but not both I don't think.

I would still like to take the DOTK and Immo deck. Also, what about AK's? I wouldn't want to take two scrambled shrieks +AK's.

My vote has always been to take 9 decks. I think it would be kinda really dumb not to.

[Neopergoss]

I would still like to take the DOTK and Immo deck. Also, what about AK's? I wouldn't want to take two scrambled shrieks +AK's.

My vote has always been to take 9 decks. I think it would be kinda really dumb not to.

LongDono has agreed in chat to take out an entropy/darkness for the immo deck and seemed willing to take out one copy of the trap deck. Of the available decks, I'd take your FFQ deck if we want another. If we end up having 9 unique decks, I'd add DOTK.

[LongDono]

Ok here are our decks. ( not final )
Graboid of the past
2 Scamble shrikers
2 Trap
Entropy/darkness ( Nightmare one )
Immo

We will not use the second Entropy/darkness.
Also with the Graboid of the past deck take out hourglasses and add 1 BB and 1 RT. Keep golems, when upped they will be even stronger.

Tell me if you agree....
So in addition to those changes add 2 eternity, 1 flying weapon, 1 angel, 2 lycans, 2 dis shields, 1 fog shield, 2 purify, 1 labo, 3 deflags, 2 steals, 3 Titanium shields, (20 ) 1 wings, 2 mummy, 1 shockwave, 1 anti-matter, 1 Graviton fire eater, 1 fire spirit, 3 novas, 3 Sanctuaries, 3 fractal, 1 Phase spider, 2 Momentums, (39) 2 Protect artifact, 1 Pulvy, 1 Oyt, 1 Owls Eye, 1 Arsenic, (45) 3 Quint.

[phaedrus]

I think only 1 eternity, no fire spirit, 1 mummy, 2 titanium shields, 2 sancs and 2 fractal. Would like to see a couple steals and maybe a fog or two.

Any suggestions on the ffq deck? Replace precogs with something? If so what?

I'll do more work on the graby deck in a bit but have to go walk my dog right now.

I'll take down the second ent/dark.

[Sevs]

the trap deck is easily susceptible to reverse time. if we are going to run 2 that is way more likely to get countered pretty badly. I would prefer to run 1. it is the surprise that makes it work so well.

Any sort of denial deck there or are we throwing those out the window?

and I really like the ffq deck too also because of pulvy and pande.
possible replacements sanctuary, maybe a graboid, and an eternity?