Round 8 - decks

[hainkarga]

Round 8 - Decks

ak65ala

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ji412jo

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[MyNameIsJoey]

Strategy change

We shoudl use darkentropy VS fire, because KevKev is likely to use fractix as he is the general and can used upped cards.

the dark entropy having more quanta denial, getting aether and fire quanta will be tougher.

[MyNameIsJoey]

wait nevermind, the first deck has more quanta denial after all

[jippy99]

We have the inconvenience of facing to 2 biggest vault teams, which means predicting decks will be harder.  I agree that Kev will most likely use fractix and that the rainbow deck is better for it.  When I have time, I will post the remaining decks of fire and entropy.

[MyNameIsJoey]

the chances for the darkentropy deck to win VS entropy are almost none.

Im working on building a rainbow right now, it looks like this so far:

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im doing tons of tests, and if it doesnt work as well as the other one i will just stay wit what we had

[hainkarga]

I think everyone was thinking of them tempting arsenics & flying weapons Its smart thing to consider after all.

Few comments:
- First of all, i know you love them but i think devourers lose their value without any fractal / BE / nightfall. I tested this deck and altough i love devourers too, i ended up upset for drawing them. And only 3 is too little for quanta denial without any support cards (like those we have in rainbow deck). I think they don't have place in a flying weapon deck.

- Lycans use the precious darkness quanta (for dusk mantle) and are vulnerable on the first turn.

- 5 cards waiting for quanta. I ended up waiting too long with spiders in my hand.

- Giving up BE & chaos seed ends up no creature nor permanent control.

I propose testing something like this;

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- Replacing a spider & lycan for 2 abominations for higher damage and higher chances to play.
- Adding 1 more quantum pillar.
- Owl's eye against a creature deck (Replacing a discord).
- Deflag for perma control.
- Hourglass to draw cards. But this card is meh.
- I know this time it became shy of quanta. But these cards are not as immideate as playing cards. You can delay playing wings & OE and accumulate quanta until you face increasing number of creatures. But a creature such as spider needs to be played asap. What i mean is, being shy on quanta isn't as bad as being shy on quanta. Flying weapon is important but it is too easy to play. If we add another offensive card, Wings can be thrown away to relieve resources anyway, maybe with a chaos seed.

Think about it ji. It should be you who decides your final deck anyway.

[Numnut]

hainkarga - I can run some tests with that deck tonight.  My only question would be which cards will he have upgraded?

Edit - Also, do we want to have more than straight 30 card decks to prevent deckout, or are we not concerned about it getting that far?

[hainkarga]

In any case, flesh spiders and dusk mantles are too good upgrades to ignore. 2 faster dusk mantle and +3 attack for same cost respectively. Second option could be flying weapons. But that is up to ji412jo.

[Spielkind]

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[ak65ala]

These two teams have some weapons still... This will be a very tough round.

For Fire, I believe our disrupt-bow can take on any of their decks but this one:

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The rest will be eaten alive by our rainbow, (Fractal-phoenix the next closest match):

Poison-dragon-miracle:

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Discord-creature hate:

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Fractal-Phoenix:

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Their 5th deck is either a suicide, or a compilation on what they won... I am hoping for a suicide to come our way, do to us winning most match-ups just looking at the decks... we'll see.

I agree at using our bow against fire, even tough using the same deck 3 times now will become predictable.  It has a much higher win chance against fire than it does against entropy.

Entropy has so much power still.  Hard to predict what they will throw at us, but I think this deck is a good chance of hitting us again:

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Mods to our disrupt-bow, I would like to see 1 more quantum pillar in the deck, and possibly a butterfly effect if we kill our entropy-darkness deck.  If we keep it, a spider i'm thinking.  a 32 card deck is less susceptible to deck-out and if we run into a heavy creature-hate deck, we might run into that scenario.  I am sad we have only 1 CC from it... but nothing we can do to fix that now. 

Discuss.

[MyNameIsJoey]

for my deck i say
bring the discord back and kick the owls eye, we need the air quanta too much to be able to stall with wings.

[jippy99]

Thank you ak for doing that.  RL is very busy for me, so I didnt have time yesterday to do it.  I think that we dont have  a great chance of beating entropy.  Obviously, putting element vs the same element is a bad idea, seeing that we have lost a few times with that.  So, we must make a rainbow or mix deck from what we have.  I think we should do something like this:

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