Post by: tttt on May 25, 2011, 02:12:07 pm
Salvaging
deck 1
2 x Azure dragon
2 x Air pendulum
2 x Owls Eye
deck 2
3 x shockwave
3 x Blessing
Event
10 x Air pendulums
Discarding
Deck 1
12 x quantum piller
1 x bonewall
1 x Momentum
1 x graboid
1 x toadfish
2 x firefly queen
1 x reverse time
1 x Ghost of the past
3 x sundail
1 x vampire stiletto
1 x nightmare
1 x quintessence
1 x Miracle
2 x Golden Hourglass
1 x Lightning
Deck 2
9 x quantum piller
3 x nova
1 x titan
2 x titanium shield
1 x pulveriser
2 x graboid
3 x earthquake
1 x deflageration
2 x purify
3 x sanctuary
3 x Quintessence
Penalties
Nay
Converting
2 x Iridium Warden
1 x Deflagration
1 x Miracle
1 x Precognition
1 x Arsenic
1 x Reverse Time
1 x Fallen Elf
Decks
Salvage 6 from these decks:
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Discard 30 from these decks:
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Post by: LongDono on May 25, 2011, 02:31:01 pm
HELLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOO AIR/DEATH AGAIN! The deck should have never been taken apart in the first place.
Post by: phaedrus on May 25, 2011, 04:13:48 pm
Turns out to have been a really smart move to salvage the air pends last round.
Now its a matter of whether there will be a matchup for it.
Post by: LongDono on May 25, 2011, 04:55:27 pm
lol Light played a air/light duo, yay salvage.
Post by: LongDono on May 25, 2011, 06:32:14 pm
Post by: tttt on May 25, 2011, 06:39:54 pm
Post by: LongDono on May 25, 2011, 06:41:25 pm
Post by: tttt on May 25, 2011, 06:49:21 pm
We got 6 last round and 6 this round! 12!Yeah...those kinda got converted into QPs...so we have 0 now, excluding possible salvage XD
Post by: Neopergoss on May 25, 2011, 07:01:33 pm
We're really going to fear EQ's and BH's, I think. We're going to have to see if our opponents have them and plan accordingly. Sancs will be a big asset, maybe PA's, too.
Maybe we can make a duo out of salvages?! We could use FFQs and do a light/air with mark of life? Would catch them by surprise, likely. Thoughts? I'm looking into details now.
A shame we don't have any hopes or any way of getting them. I do think it could still work, though. We could use miracles, too. With only 2 FFQs, this option may not work. We could still do a mono/duo with a rainbow splash, or some other light/air duo without FFQs.
Post by: Sevs on May 25, 2011, 07:39:19 pm
Sadly, I fear we may be limited to rainbows for the rest of war. Also sadly, we are likely limited to 2 decks for the rest of war. GL to you two. I will help as much as I can. Deckbuilding is the biggest part of this, anyway. As I said in the last round, I think the salvaging conversation should be based on what decks we want to use. Not a bad idea to open this up now and start thinking about our options, but the decks should drive our decisions IMO.mmm I dont know how dependable a 2ffq deck will be but i like your idea of using a non rainbow. I do feel that we should use the immo deck again, and the other deck should be shaped on who we face. and if we win both will we have a chance to bring back someone?
We're really going to fear EQ's and BH's, I think. We're going to have to see if our opponents have them and plan accordingly. Sancs will be a big asset, maybe PA's, too.
Maybe we can make a duo out of salvages?! We could use FFQs and do a light/air with mark of life? Would catch them by surprise, likely. Thoughts? I'm looking into details now.
A shame we don't have any hopes or any way of getting them. I do think it could still work, though. We could use miracles, too. With only 2 FFQs, this option may not work. We could still do a mono/duo with a rainbow splash, or some other light/air duo without FFQs.
I know you all might be upset about the air pends but in order to fill the extra 6 cards per deck, we needed to use most of the rainbow additions. once again thia happened extremely late, if you are extremely set on keeping these pends, we can attempt to work around that. just note it next time :P
However you are onto something Long, what about a half duo half rainbow deck use those air pends and QP's to fuel some sort of control rainbow /death duo. Ill post a deck in a minute
Post by: Sevs on May 25, 2011, 07:55:54 pm
Post by: LongDono on May 25, 2011, 08:20:56 pm
I am honestly pissed off right now, more so than I have been in a while.
" Oh I see LongDono wanted to salvage air pends, he must have no reason for it so I think I will just convert them into QPs. "
" Oh look that Air/death deck is prolly one of the best we got, lets convert it into QPs! "
God damn it!
Sorry about the rant but this pisses me off more than anything in a long time. We can't play our best situational deck, and still good overall deck.
Whats done is done.
Lets get the salvages figured out, and who wants to play next round? We got 3 players, me, sevs, and ????
I sent a message to Phaedrus, aitvaras, and shining sword and only aitvaras replied but it did not seem like he was wanting to fight a whole lot. I think our 3rd player will be lifelockable next round.
Post by: phaedrus on May 25, 2011, 08:35:32 pm
If you didn`t want to scrap the air/death then you shouldn`t have.
As the leader of this team, you are responsible for all of our actions. Actions were taken because you didn`t provide guidance. Its stupid to complain about it now.
The scrapping of the air death was the best decision at the time, and I`m sure the conversion of the air pends was also the best option.
If you had communicated earlier that you didn`t want to scrap the air death/wanted to try and rebuild it, then maybe we would have been able to do something differently and maybe not.
We could do a deck like the one Sevs posted earlier but maybe with mostly air pillars and OEs too. I think a mostly duo deck like that could work.
We can salvage the FFQ too pretty much if we want.
Post by: LongDono on May 25, 2011, 10:52:45 pm
Chill out Longdono.Ummmm I should NOT have had to say " don't destroy our undefeated deck ".
If you didn`t want to scrap the air/death then you shouldn`t have.
As the leader of this team, you are responsible for all of our actions. Actions were taken because you didn`t provide guidance. Its stupid to complain about it now.
The scrapping of the air death was the best decision at the time, and I`m sure the conversion of the air pends was also the best option.
If you had communicated earlier that you didn`t want to scrap the air death/wanted to try and rebuild it, then maybe we would have been able to do something differently and maybe not.
We could do a deck like the one Sevs posted earlier but maybe with mostly air pillars and OEs too. I think a mostly duo deck like that could work.
We can salvage the FFQ too pretty much if we want.
The choice was a last minute one and I was not online, I was no where near responsible for those actions.
Anyways we dont have air pillers, and we should take soemthing OTHER than the air pends now that I found out that the ones we had last round were converted.
Post by: Sevs on May 26, 2011, 01:36:50 am
In converting the air pends, we needed to fill the 6 cards extra in each deck to buff our chances in each round, once again 13 of the 36 cards in the vault needed to be converted. You can look for your self i unhid the spreadsheet. "self audit 7" choose 13 of those cards that you feel should have been converted. You are lucky we have even spared most of the creature base to the deck
dont be mad and calm down. we have future rounds to worry about
Post by: LongDono on May 26, 2011, 02:50:11 am
Post by: tttt on May 26, 2011, 08:53:40 am
This thread needs more ROAR!
Post by: ShiningSword on May 26, 2011, 01:17:39 pm
Now to the play:
We can use some quints from the air deck, and save spirits and momentums from our decks(for one of those quinted attackers decks).
We could take some owls eyes and make a control bow saving some pandes and maybe the FFQ(add some miracles to that as well).
We need sancs from the last deck.
We should wait to see who we play before deciding anything else.
Post by: Neopergoss on May 26, 2011, 02:20:49 pm
3.1. DETERMINING OPPONENTSAm I mistaken, or will we only have 2 matches next round? In fact, it looks like unless we win both and get 3 extra cards from a favorable event card, we will have no more than 2 matches for the round after the next as well.
Amount of cards in the Vault determine how many players from each team participates on a round:
0-29 cards = team is eliminated 30-71 cards = 1 player fights 72-107 cards = 2 players fight 108-143 cards = 3 players fight 144-179 cards = 4 players fight 180-215 cards = 5 players fight 216-251 cards = 6 players fight 252-287 cards = 7 players fight 288+ cards = 8 players fight
The deck you posted looks alright, Sevs. I think before we make deck decisions for the next round, we should test these thoroughly, preferably against expected opponents' decks in the trainer.
Post by: LongDono on May 26, 2011, 02:44:07 pm
Post by: Neopergoss on May 26, 2011, 02:47:16 pm
Wait I thought we would have 132 cards in the vault after this round so we would have to have 3 players? I could be wrong.170 - 60 + 12 = 122. Yeah, you're right: it's 3 players. For some reason I had us having less than that. But yeah, we'd need 22 more cards to field another player, which means 3 wins next round will still be 4 cards short of that.
Post by: LongDono on May 26, 2011, 03:43:57 pm
Salvage 3 shockwaves and 2 Owls eyes and something?
Salvage 1 peggy ( for any rainbows ) 2 blessing, 2 solar shields, and a miracle? idk about this one.
Now what cards do we save?
Also it depends on our foe on what the final discard/salvage will be. I just want to get a headstart as we are always just bearly finishing.
Post by: Neopergoss on May 26, 2011, 04:53:17 pm
What's nice about this is that even if they BH us, we can still play all rainbow cards if we draw another nova (and since it's mostly a mono, BH won't hurt too bad). They can all be played immediately with the nova. This really only works if they have a 30 card deck, but those are pretty common. I'm sure there are opponents with a pattern of playing decks of that size.
This is probably a better deck. It's not limited to facing 30 card decks, though it is more vulnerable to EQ and BH. It's based on the deck I used in the last round but more focused on stalling. I thought about putting in sancs but without a mark of light, they're likely to take too long coming out to be of help against denial. We might be able to do something with these and a miracle with mark of light. If we fear PC, PA's would be good here, too -- also as EQ protection. (the forest spirit is only for preventing deckout)
Maybe something like this as a light mark version? I'm out of :time for now didn't have much time to work on this.
Maybe vampire stiletto could be added to the last 2? Thoughts?
Post by: phaedrus on May 26, 2011, 05:38:43 pm
Not sure how I feel about your stalls at the moment Neo. Thinking about them.
Post by: Neopergoss on May 26, 2011, 06:09:34 pm
We could do something like this for Long. Not sure its very strong, but its another way to avoid using quantum pillars.I think I would prefer the immorush to something like this. Not sure what I'd do to it. One issue is that the FFQs probably won't come out for a while, and by that time you're likely to have more than enough fire quanta so what's produced by the fireflies won't be so useful. If we had firebolts or something that'd be better...maybe we could use unupped ffqs with miracle? ???
Not sure how I feel about your stalls at the moment Neo. Thinking about them.
Really I could be mistaken -- I'll test this when I get a chance (not as soon as I'd like :( ).
Post by: LongDono on May 26, 2011, 06:21:00 pm
Post by: Neopergoss on May 26, 2011, 06:22:57 pm
we have no air pillers, on pends I believe.We can salvage up to six air pends. We also have 4 wind pillars available, but we can only take 6 total of the two.
Post by: LifeLockable on May 26, 2011, 06:23:38 pm
I will be back in a few hours and post some idea's
but I like the idea of a stall...but we need sancs if we run a rainbow stall (not that you guys didnt know that :P )
and neo are the queens even effective in that deck? because we will only have enough quantum to spawn three fireflys...just looks like a deck that would fail late game...specially if they are able to kill the golems
I think we should wait on building decks untill we see what we are facing next round so we can prepare a counter rather then being stuck with what we have forced ourselves with, though I do see the point of planning our salvages into decks, we still might be forced against opponents who all have BH's or EQ which cripple our rainbows, and I have a feeling we will be seeing them alot
Post by: Neopergoss on May 26, 2011, 06:28:15 pm
but I like the idea of a stall...but we need sancs if we run a rainbow stall (not that you guys didnt know that :P )I was hoping that AM's could serve as healing, especially if our foe doesn't have BH's. But maybe that's not very likely.
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and neo are the queens even effective in that deck? because we will only have enough quantum to spawn three fireflys...just looks like a deck that would fail late game...specially if they are able to kill the golemsGood points, I agree that they probably aren't worth using there. Not sure how to fix that deck.
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I think we should wait on building decks untill we see what we are facing next round so we can prepare a counter rather then being stuck with what we have forced ourselves with, though I do see the point of planning our salvages into decks, we still might be forced against opponents who all have BH's or EQ which cripple our rainbows, and I have a feeling we will be seeing them alotYes, this could all be made moot very quickly depending on our opponents. It's really just brainstorming now so that we'll have something to draw from once we do know. Trying to do as much as possible early so that past mistakes are avoided. I also want to be more involved in planning now that I won't be playing any of these decks. I'd like to spectate at least one match, too, so I'd appreciate it if there were posts about expected match times (early to mention this, but just saying).
Looking at the decks I posted, I think nova would probably be worth having in all of them.
Post by: LifeLockable on May 26, 2011, 07:26:39 pm
I am online for short instances right now or I would be building decks...give me four hours and I will help it xD
Post by: LifeLockable on May 27, 2011, 12:41:20 am
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here is a standard rainbow rush with optional pheonixes or nightmares
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Post by: LongDono on May 27, 2011, 02:54:04 am
Take flesh spiders out unless you upgrade them from the second deck.
I would like 1 less PA in the 3rd deck and 1 more graboid if possible.
Post by: LifeLockable on May 27, 2011, 03:29:53 am
and there isnt a PA in the third one O.o you can trade a forest spirit for it sure...hmmm I'll make the changes here soon
Post by: LongDono on May 27, 2011, 11:50:50 am
Post by: Neopergoss on May 27, 2011, 12:59:04 pm
I like the deck. It may be vulnerable to air creatures, though, especially dragons. I also wonder if 3 scorps + 3 momentums is reliable enough. Might help to replace sanc with blessing?Code: [Select]4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vp 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 55q 55q 55q 58s 592 5ie 5lm 5oo 5oo 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rt 5rt 5rt
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I don't think I would take the elf or the EA but I like the deck otherwise. It could probably use a weapon.Code: [Select]4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vm 4vn 4vp 4vp 52j 52j 52r 590 590 590 592 595 595 5fc 5fc 5i7 5lm 5v1 5v1 5v1
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Again, I don't see much use for an EA here. Also, even with 3 EQs I'm not sure it's enough. You need to draw EQs early for them to be effective. This only has 2. I'd consider BBs as an alternative use for that earth quanta. I think you might be strained for water a bit with all those forest spirits. Maybe not. I still like this deck.Code: [Select]4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 52r 55u 590 590 592 593 593 5c1 5c1 5c1 5f6 5f6 5lm 5v1 621 621
edit: are the EA's for EQ protection? not a bad idea, but with so few it has only a small chance of success. Also, I'd include other good EA targets in case they don't bring EQ.
Post by: LifeLockable on May 27, 2011, 08:10:31 pm
the second deck only includes the elf as a form of CC if they get a dragon out persay...let me tell you without the phoenixes and nightmares instead its a mean deck...I beat a grabbix with it 8)
the growth deck is the only one I havent really tested out much as I didnt have time to thouroughly test them all ( i was testing them in PvP1 and top 50 yesterday...really happy results with the rush...and happy results with the poison as long as there are no flyers or PC) so I plan to make the tweaks that I think they need by tonight
Post by: Sevs on May 27, 2011, 10:53:50 pm
Post by: Sevs on May 27, 2011, 11:19:48 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Long PLEASE LOOK at the event card. You're fav deck lives again.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26875.0/topicseen.html
LifeLockable vs Gen. Kakerlake
Gen. Napalm Grenade vs Lt. Sevs
Gen. LongDono vs willng3
Post by: LifeLockable on May 27, 2011, 11:25:08 pm
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here are some veriations on the rush...tho I like how it is already
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and I think this is the only change I could make to the growth deck..I tried to make it better in your eyes xD
the weapon is owles eye...I can use this deck I just need to test it
Post by: tttt on May 27, 2011, 11:28:57 pm
Post by: LifeLockable on May 27, 2011, 11:31:20 pm
Post by: Sevs on May 27, 2011, 11:38:17 pm
Post by: LifeLockable on May 27, 2011, 11:41:56 pm
Post by: LongDono on May 27, 2011, 11:45:12 pm
Lifelockable should play an immo rush I think.
Ummmmmm Sevs I am not sure about you. Graboid bow with panda's, and other creatures besides graboids?
UW FTW! See? I can tell the RNG Goddess to screw off and get away with it! Everyone go bitch about how this card is not helpful to us so we can laugh when I play air/death!!!!!
Post by: phaedrus on May 28, 2011, 02:23:51 am
So ya. Air death to Long is probably a good call. They may be able to see it coming still.
I think we could make a second light based duo if we wanted to. With saders maybe. Because if we salvage 6 air then we would only use 4 or 5 from the event card.
So deckbuilding ideas should take that into consideration.
Post by: phaedrus on May 29, 2011, 04:16:23 pm
Post by: Sevs on May 30, 2011, 06:36:58 am
Post by: tttt on May 30, 2011, 07:42:30 am
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Post by: tttt on May 30, 2011, 04:07:27 pm
Post by: Sevs on May 30, 2011, 05:40:44 pm
I already regret discarding the Quints and Sancts. :aether beat us with lameass CC and poison :/ahh saw that bb should have served as a sort of quint. i am kinda surprised actually. burrowed graboids > bonewall
Post by: LifeLockable on May 30, 2011, 08:45:18 pm
that mean keep the lightenings....
because as far as I know the only thing I have taken out was the rage pot
Post by: Sevs on May 31, 2011, 01:29:31 am
wait so what deck am I using? LOL people keep trying to take out the CC which is part of what makes it goodthe deck posted i the deck sections is the deck you will have to use. we had to either take the momentum, dune scorps or the lighting out, i figured the 1 lighting difference was better than missing anything else. We took 10 instead of 9 from the 1st deck. We arent trying to change the whole style of your deck and hopefully we didnt. and rage pot is still there.
that mean keep the lightenings....
because as far as I know the only thing I have taken out was the rage pot