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Round 5 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26148.msg332222#msg332222
« on: May 12, 2011, 02:50:09 pm »
Round 5 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting

Salvaging
Deck 1
3 x Pandemonium
2 x Bonewall
1 x Plague
Deck 2
2 x Reverse Time
2 x Miracle
2 x Golden Dragon
Deck 3
3 x Devourers
1 x Vampire stiletto
2 x Graboids
Deck 4
2 x Arsenic
3 x Basilisk Bloods
1 x Titanium Shield

Discarding
Deck 1
12 x Quantum Pillar
3 x Pandemonium
2 x Bone Wall
1 x Otyugh
1 x Pulverizer
1 x Deflagration
1 x Lava Golem
2 x Fog Shield
2 x Quint
Deck 2
2 x Stone pillar
2 x hematite golem
3 x titanium shield
3 x graboid
3 x Earthquake
1 x Basilisk blood
1 x reverse time
10 x time pendulum
Deck 3
6 x Quantum Pillar
3 x nova
1 x arsenic
3 x gravity pull
3 x graboid
3 x basilisk blood
1 x rage potion
1 x guardian angel
1 x fog shield
3 x voodoo doll
Deck 4
11 x amethyst pillar
1 x maxwells demon
1 x abomination
2 x purple dragon
3 x lycanthrope
2 x discord
3 x entropy pendulums
1 x steal
1 x nightmare



Penalties
None

Converting
1 x Golden Dragon
1x Ghost of the Past
2x Enchant Artifact
1 x Earthquake
10 x death pendulum
3 x arsenic
1 x flesh spider
2 x mummy
1x wings
1 x flying weapon
1 x discord

I hope this is right - sevs
@tttt you owe me at least one t for this

This is what we're going to have to salvage. After this, I will convert cards to QPs in the vault. There won't be a post for this, it will just be done. I hope it saves old vault states in case anyone wants to go back. Otherwise, maybe they can figure out what else can fit and change it that way.

WE CAN SALVAGE 6 CARDS FROM EACH OF THE FOLLOWING DECKS (4):

1:
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4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 52p 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 71a 71a 71bSalvage:
- 3 Pandemonium
- 2 Bonewall
- 1 Plague

2:
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5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l9 5l9 5la 5la 5la 5li 5li 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lk 5lk 5lk 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rk 5rkSalvage:
- 2 Reverse Time
- 2 Miracle
- 2 Golden Dragon

3:
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 593 593 593 593 5on 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5up 5up 5uq 5ur 5uv 606 606 606 606 606 606 61qSalvage:
- 3 Devourers
- 1 Vampire stiletto
- 2 Graboids

4:
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52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58s 58s 592 592 594 594 594 594 595 595 595 595Salvage:
- 2 Arsenic
- 3 Basilisk Bloods
- 1 Titanium Shield


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WE DISCARD 25 CARDS FROM EACH OF THE FOLLOWING DECKS (4):

5:
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vp 4vp 4vp 52r 52r 55r 58v 5f6 5fa 5ie 5li 5og 5og 5oj 5oj 621 621 621Salvage (cards not being discarded):
- 2 FFQ
- 1 Quint
- 1 Quantum Pillar
- 1 Miracle

6:
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58o 58o 58q 58q 58s 58s 58s 590 590 590 593 593 593 595 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ru 5ru 5ru 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2Salvage:
- 3 GotP
- 2 RT

7:
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vm 52q 55t 55t 55t 590 590 590 595 595 595 596 596 5c1 5fb 5le 5og 5v0 5v0 5v0Salvage:
- 2 Wardens
- 1 Quantum Pillar
- 1 Forest Spirit
- 1 Fallen Elf

8:
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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vd 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 50u 50u 50u 5up 5v1 5v1 5v1Salvage:
- 1 Discord
- 1 Maxwell's Demon
- 1 Antimatter
- 2 Nigtmare
Antimatter and Maxwells would make good salvage, too.


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Hello, in these last hours I ( general LongDono ) have decided to mod edit this post to make something clear. Our suggested discard/salvage IS now our discard/salvage.
Also we convert 3 gnome riders into 3 Quantum pillers.

WE CAN SALVAGE 6 CARDS FROM EACH OF THE FOLLOWING DECKS (4):

1:
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4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 52p 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 71a 71a 71bSuggested salvage:
- 3 Pandemonium
- 2 Bonewall
- 1 Plague
Do we need Arsenic and death pends?

2:
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5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l9 5l9 5la 5la 5la 5li 5li 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lk 5lk 5lk 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rk 5rkSuggested salvage:
- 2 Reverse Time
- 1 Miracle
- 1 Light Dragon
- 2 Photon/2 Pends?
We could use Hope and Luciferin as well, though I fancy offensiveness.

3:
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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 593 593 593 593 5on 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5up 5up 5uq 5ur 5uv 606 606 606 606 606 606 61qDo we even need novas and graboids, how is our vault doing after all the games?
We have Fogs, no need for Dusk?
Suggested salvage:
- 3 Devourer
- 1 Steal
- 1 Lightning
OR (possible duo?)
- 1 Steal
- 1 Gargoyle
- 4 Pends (possible duo?)
Other options are EQs and Stiletto.

4:
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52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58s 58s 592 592 594 594 594 594 595 595 595 595Do we need Titanium Shield (possible earth duo)?
Suggested salvage:
- 1 BB
- 2 Arsenic
- 3 poison


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WE DISCARD 25 CARDS FROM EACH OF THE FOLLOWING DECKS (4):

5:
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vp 4vp 4vp 52r 52r 55r 58v 5f6 5fa 5ie 5li 5og 5og 5oj 5oj 621 621 621Suggested salvage:
- 2 FFQ
- 1 Quint
- 1 Deflag
- possibly Panda, Fog or 1 creature (golem or toad)? We have 2 quints, I'm sure, though they are pretty useful.
Panda is kinda meh considering it will destroy our own flies.

6:
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58o 58o 58q 58q 58s 58s 58s 590 590 590 593 593 593 595 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ru 5ru 5ru 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2Suggested salvage:
- 3 GotP
- 2 RT
Do we need Time Pends?

7:
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vm 52q 55t 55t 55t 590 590 590 595 595 595 596 596 5c1 5fb 5le 5og 5v0 5v0 5v0Suggested salvage:
- 2 Wardens (I really don't like these guys, change them for 2 gpulls maybe?)
- 1 Rage Potion
- 1 Forest Spirit
- 1 nova, fog or Elf?
We can keep the rainbows going with this salvage.

8:
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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vd 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 50u 50u 50u 5up 5v1 5v1 5v1Suggested salvage:
- 3 Discord
- 2 Nigtmare
Antimatter and Maxwells would make good salvage, too.


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Re: Salvaging/Discarding ROUND 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26148.msg332232#msg332232
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2011, 03:08:17 pm »
EDIT sorry yours was the closest to the top

these are the spare cards not used in the round 5 decks
Hover over cards for details, click for permalink
Deck import code : [Select]
4vi 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 52q 52q 52q 52t 52t 52t 55q 55s 58s 58v 590 592 592 592 593 593 593 5f6 5f6 5f6 5fb 5gi 5i7 5oi 5oi 5ol 5on 5oo 5rj 5ro 5up 5up 5v1 61q 61u 621 622 622 63a 8pm



i suggest 2 bb and poison stuff.
ummmm splashable stuff i guess. gtg brb in like a few hours.

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Re: Salvaging/Discarding ROUND 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26148.msg332235#msg332235
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2011, 03:10:47 pm »
Important cards to salvage.

From our decks that lost....
Guards, antimatter, discord, maxwell, reverse time, miracle, ffq(?),

Things we could salvage....
devos(!), panda and bones, BB, titanium, hope, miracle, reverse time, grabboids, EQ, vampire stilletto.


Probably more, don't have time to be thorough.
I like the looks of our salvages and that we don't lose all of the decks that lost.

Question, how much do we salvage from our wins?

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Re: Salvaging/Discarding ROUND 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26148.msg332238#msg332238
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2011, 03:14:31 pm »
Important cards to salvage.

From our decks that lost....
Guards, antimatter, discord, maxwell, reverse time, miracle, ffq(?),

Things we could salvage....
devos(!), panda and bones, BB, titanium, hope, miracle, reverse time, grabboids, EQ, vampire stilletto.


Probably more, don't have time to be thorough.
I like the looks of our salvages and that we don't lose all of the decks that lost.

Question, how much do we salvage from our wins?
6 cards/win

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Re: Salvaging/Discarding ROUND 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26148.msg332240#msg332240
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2011, 03:19:12 pm »
i will post the decks and stuff, some work came up

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Re: Salvaging/Discarding ROUND 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26148.msg332361#msg332361
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2011, 08:09:27 pm »
we discard only 25 from each deck not 30. but i think we have the option to rebuild the ffq deck if we want, we can save the 2 ffq and 3 quints then from the pandebonium we can take 3 pande 2 bonewall arsenic  and a miracle from the deja hope deck


2 reverse times from the deja hope is a must other than those 3, idk what else to take

from darkness, 3 devs 3 grabs

from the poison "stall" what about the pillars to make scrambled? and bb's

and discords and nightmare from the ent/dark?

not really sure abotu the others i guess it depends on the matchups we get
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Re: Salvaging/Discarding ROUND 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26148.msg332364#msg332364
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2011, 08:16:23 pm »
fixd for 25 discard
I'll update OP with suggestions at some point.

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Re: Salvaging/Discarding ROUND 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26148.msg332378#msg332378
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2011, 08:33:07 pm »
we discard only 25 from each deck not 30. but i think we have the option to rebuild the ffq deck if we want, we can save the 2 ffq and 3 quints then from the pandebonium we can take 3 pande 2 bonewall arsenic  and a miracle from the deja hope deck


2 reverse times from the deja hope is a must other than those 3, idk what else to take

from darkness, 3 devs 3 grabs

from the poison "stall" what about the pillars to make scrambled? and bb's

and discords and nightmare from the ent/dark?

not really sure abotu the others i guess it depends on the matchups we get
Agree with these. I guess I'd take another miracle from deja hope along with maybe 2 pendulums. To be more specific, I'd take 2 nightmares and 3 discords from the ent/dark.

I also suggest we hold onto 3 GotP, 2 RTs, and 1 titanium shield from the earth/time; and forest spirit, rage pot, 2 wardens, and a nova from trap deck. There are other choices that didn't seem any better or worse to me, but this is just one suggested way.

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Re: Salvaging/Discarding ROUND 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26148.msg332404#msg332404
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2011, 09:18:30 pm »
Agree that we should and could rebuild the FFQ.

Teams are going to be looking to rush us I think with the trap gone.
So a quick immo response deck is pretty key I think.
With wardens, bbs, RTs, and the rest to balance.

I would like to build a stall potentially too with a devo lock, RTs, antimatter, sancs, and eternity.

My salvage picks are...
1) 3 panda, 2 bones, plague.
2) 1 miracle, 2 photon (potentially change the immo deck?) 2 "?" We could also potentially fractal photons and use Lucifern with hope.
3) 3 devos, 2 EQ, vamp stiletto (for immo?) I think we have enough grabs in vault, but will check.
4) A weak salvage here. BBs and titanium? we don't need arsenic or poison really.

Cards I want to keep from ours...
FFQ) Pulv, toad, 2 FFQs, 1 quint (we have others)
Earth/time) maybe GoTP (do a denial with that and nightmare?), RTs, if any others than grabs or EQs.
Trap) Forest spirit, wardens, elf, bbs(?)
ent/dark) Discord, nightmare (we still have 1 in vault), anti, maxwell if possible.

Will do more work on this soon.

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Re: Salvaging/Discarding ROUND 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26148.msg332426#msg332426
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2011, 09:44:28 pm »
Keep from our losses
Entropy darkness, keep 1 lycanthrope, 1 steal, 1 nightmare, 1 discord, 1 Anti-matter.
Trap deck, keep 3 novas, 1 ragepot, 1 fogshield
Graboid of the past, 1 grabiod, 1 BB, 3 RT
FFQ, 3 quint, 1 panda, 1 deflag
Salvage
Earthstallpoison thing, 3 BB, 2 titanium shield, 1 poison
Earth/darkness, 1 steal, 1 hax shield, 3 devos, 1 graboid
Hope deck, 1 miracle, 2  Golden dragons, 2 reverse time, 1 deja vu
Death/entropy, 3 pandas, 1 plague, 2 bonewall

We gain 44
4 BB
4 Pandas
5 Reverse time
3 devos
3 quints
3 novas
2 titanium shields
2 Golden dragons
2 Steal
1 Nightmare
1 Hax shield
1 deflag
1 ragepot
1 Miracle
1 Plague
2 Bonewall
1 Discord
1 Anti-matter
1 Lycanthrope
2 graboid
1 fogshield
1 deja vu
1 poison

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Re: Salvaging/Discarding ROUND 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26148.msg332443#msg332443
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2011, 10:15:28 pm »
IMO, we don't need to salvage the following.

Graboids: We have 6 in vault if we don't salvage any.
Fog: We have 3 in vault if we don't salvage any.
Steal: We have 2 others in vault
Lycans: Maybe we want to salvage 1, but we have 3 others in vault.
Golden dragons: What on earth would we use these for Long?
Novas: Maybe keep 1 from trap. The guards and spirit are more important (IMO).
Deflag: We only lost 1, so we have 6 in vault.
Panda: 3 from the salvage should be enough. We don't need a 4th.
Quints: We probably don't need more than 4 or 5, have 3 in vault, so only need 1 or 2 from the FFQ.

How many decks will we be able to field? 4?

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Re: Salvaging/Discarding ROUND 5 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26148.msg332450#msg332450
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2011, 10:25:48 pm »
hmmmm ok then, I was not aware we had so many of certain cards in our vault.
The golden dragon can be good, but idk.

 

anything
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