*Author

Offline MyNameIsJoey

  • Chat Moderator
  • ******
  • Posts: 2457
  • Country: ca
  • Reputation Power: 41
  • MyNameIsJoey soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.MyNameIsJoey soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.MyNameIsJoey soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.MyNameIsJoey soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.MyNameIsJoey soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.MyNameIsJoey soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.MyNameIsJoey soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.MyNameIsJoey soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.
  • I walk alone
  • Awards: Weekly Tournament Winner 11.08.18Weekly Tournament Winner 09.06.18Weekly Tournament Winner 26.05.18Brawl #7 Winner - Green NightSlice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeBrawl #1 Winner - Team Nyan SharksWeekly Tournament WinnerSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament Winner
Re: Possible deck skeletons for round 9 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.msg231135#msg231135
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2010, 11:50:47 pm »
i agree with ak
BTW, ilove the ace and king of clubs avatar =D
follow me at twitch.tv/mynameisjoey

Offline jippy99

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1567
  • Country: us
  • Reputation Power: 21
  • jippy99 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.jippy99 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.jippy99 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.jippy99 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 3rd Birthday CakeWar #4 Winner - Team DeathSlice of Elements 2nd Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament Winner
Re: Possible deck skeletons for round 9 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.msg231188#msg231188
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2010, 02:19:10 am »
Just in case they for some reason dont use the nova deck, throw in the discord.  It takes up entropy quanta, which we currently use 0 of, and is an extra attacker.
Think you got what it takes?  Test out your skills in some Tournaments! http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,77.0.html

Offline hainkargaTopic starter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1859
  • Country: tr
  • Reputation Power: 25
  • hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.
  • Awards: Weekly Tournament WinnerSlice of Elements 7th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament WinnerRent a deck - WinnerWinner of Team PvP #6Slice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeWar #6 Winner - Team AetherWar #5 Winner - Team AetherWinner of Sideboard #3 PvP Event
Re: Possible deck skeletons for round 9 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.msg231253#msg231253
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2010, 04:43:34 am »
Just in case they for some reason dont use the nova deck, throw in the discord.  It takes up entropy quanta, which we currently use 0 of, and is an extra attacker.
having 3 death cards is an imbalance about the deck, yes. But discord is hardly an "extra attacker" because drawing discord will mean not drawing some other card which could be useful. Like preventing an immolation draw when you could use it to fractal phoenixes. Besides that, discord doesn't stack with arsenic so you can't field it as an extra attacker. If we take discord, it should replace an existing damage card which would probably be arsenic (arsenic > discord damagewise). Second best option is replacing a spider which would mean you won't have it as "extra attacker" but just the opposite; reducing one of existing attackers because you can't use both weapons at the same time. Either way, you reduce your damage unless you replace it with a shield / pillar which i find disturbing. It is potentially a very cool stalling card but a bad damage dealer.

It goes like this;

** Adding discord disadvantages:
- Needs to replace arsenic. Arsenic is much better damage dealer.
- Upset drawing hand if both weapons come in your hand together (if you choose not to replace it with arsenic)
- Useless if you draw it after midgame, which is high likely with only 1 discord. Discord fails at quanta denial at higher quanta amounts. (the reason there are 2+ discords in every deck it is used, to increase early summon)
- They will probably come with some sort of deck that is uneffected by discord.

** Adding discord advantages:
- Slows opponent down if they come with mono / duo quanta usage if you play it early. Earning time to take field advantage, can make us win the match.
- Can potentially prevent the opponent playing 1-2 turns even if they come with a nova deck.
- Easier to summon than arsenic as there are 3 death cards but 0 entropy cards. Making the deck more balanced.

** Going 31+ card to add arsenic & discord both ?
- Advantage: More cards if they come with a stall deck
- Disadvantage: Lower chances to draw required combo cards, increases quanta requirement.

/sabbah
Meritocratic Technocracy

Offline Spielkind

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1566
  • Country: de
  • Reputation Power: 20
  • Spielkind is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.Spielkind is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.Spielkind is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.Spielkind is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.
  • Mess with the best - die like the rest!
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 9th Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament WinnerWar #11 Winner - Team LifeSlice of Elements 8th Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament WinnerSlice of Elements 7th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament Winner
Re: Possible deck skeletons for round 9 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.msg231271#msg231271
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2010, 05:20:59 am »
take the discord and forget the arsenic, man! its too random and discord can be in 50% of the matches a gamewinner!
(\__/)
(='.'=) This is Bunny. Bunny rules the Earth.
(")_(") Copy and Paste Bunny to show your appreciation!

Offline hainkargaTopic starter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1859
  • Country: tr
  • Reputation Power: 25
  • hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.
  • Awards: Weekly Tournament WinnerSlice of Elements 7th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament WinnerRent a deck - WinnerWinner of Team PvP #6Slice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeWar #6 Winner - Team AetherWar #5 Winner - Team AetherWinner of Sideboard #3 PvP Event
Re: Possible deck skeletons for round 9 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.msg231319#msg231319
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2010, 07:07:27 am »
So far jippy99 & spielkind vote for discord, ak65 is against it, i'm neutral as i see several advantages and disadvantages of it. Its not a big problem choosing either arsenic or discord.
Meritocratic Technocracy

Offline jippy99

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1567
  • Country: us
  • Reputation Power: 21
  • jippy99 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.jippy99 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.jippy99 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.jippy99 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 3rd Birthday CakeWar #4 Winner - Team DeathSlice of Elements 2nd Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament Winner
Re: Possible deck skeletons for round 9 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.msg231399#msg231399
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2010, 11:57:00 am »
So far jippy99 & spielkind vote for discord, ak65 is against it, i'm neutral as i see several advantages and disadvantages of it. Its not a big problem choosing either arsenic or discord.
I say take them both, maybe ji can weigh in on this. 
Think you got what it takes?  Test out your skills in some Tournaments! http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,77.0.html

Offline hainkargaTopic starter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1859
  • Country: tr
  • Reputation Power: 25
  • hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.hainkarga is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.
  • Awards: Weekly Tournament WinnerSlice of Elements 7th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament WinnerRent a deck - WinnerWinner of Team PvP #6Slice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeWar #6 Winner - Team AetherWar #5 Winner - Team AetherWinner of Sideboard #3 PvP Event
Re: Possible deck skeletons for round 9 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.msg231417#msg231417
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2010, 12:47:23 pm »
Nah having both weapons would weaken the balance and the damage output of the deck. If you play one, the other is useless. If we take discord, there is no need for arsenic.

Edit: Here is why;
You may think you could use one in early game and the other late game, but both arsenic and discord are powerful on early game. Discord is meaningful in early game as it can't much scramble quanta after midgame and arsenic needs to start poison stacks early too. So both weapons are early game weapons (unlike owl's eye, eternity etc.) So having both of them doesn't help much but weakens because it needs to replace a card or bloat the deck.
Meritocratic Technocracy

Offline Spielkind

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1566
  • Country: de
  • Reputation Power: 20
  • Spielkind is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.Spielkind is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.Spielkind is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.Spielkind is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.
  • Mess with the best - die like the rest!
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 9th Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament WinnerWar #11 Winner - Team LifeSlice of Elements 8th Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament WinnerSlice of Elements 7th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament Winner
Re: Possible deck skeletons for round 9 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.msg231518#msg231518
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2010, 05:31:01 pm »
steal on discord is not that bad... on arsenic it is! now i have no more arguements... dont know... but we have to know soon!!!
(\__/)
(='.'=) This is Bunny. Bunny rules the Earth.
(")_(") Copy and Paste Bunny to show your appreciation!

Offline jippy99

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1567
  • Country: us
  • Reputation Power: 21
  • jippy99 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.jippy99 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.jippy99 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.jippy99 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 3rd Birthday CakeWar #4 Winner - Team DeathSlice of Elements 2nd Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament Winner
Re: Possible deck skeletons for round 9 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.msg231525#msg231525
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2010, 05:45:56 pm »
We can go either way.  I think we should leave this one up to ak, for it is his deck.
Think you got what it takes?  Test out your skills in some Tournaments! http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,77.0.html

Offline ak65ala

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 624
  • Reputation Power: 8
  • ak65ala is a Spark waiting for a buff.
  • New to Elements
Re: Possible deck skeletons for round 9 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.msg231565#msg231565
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2010, 06:37:38 pm »
I thank everyone for their input.  I will keep the deck as is. 

This decision is tipped only on the deck I believe Entropy will use to attack.  Our last deck shown is a disrupt deck, they will more than likely pull cards that minimize these effects.  I wanted to trash all of these disrupt cards due to this meta-game analysis.  The deck is now a pure rainbow rush (best we could do with our cards) and I want to stick with this mentality down to the last card. 

It is as simple as this: They will put novas in the deck.  Novas trivialize discord. 
If this analysis fails, then Entropy has out-played me, and I apologize in advance. 

If everything goes as we all hope, we will be in round 10 and can yet again have these discussions and possibly discord will be the star of the deck again.


As for conversions, take and change over:
x2 Flying Weapon
x1 Eternity

Offline ak65ala

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 624
  • Reputation Power: 8
  • ak65ala is a Spark waiting for a buff.
  • New to Elements
Re: Possible deck skeletons for round 9 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17856.msg231568#msg231568
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2010, 06:42:56 pm »
BTW, ilove the ace and king of clubs avatar =D
Thanks!  I had 200 posts to find something I liked. It went through a lot of revisions, but I feel it is unique, I can change the picture and keep the theme (I feel it's good to have either a static picture or a theme with your icon so people can tell who is talking at a glance) and it ties in with my name.  My name did not come from it at all, just a happy coincidence.

 

blarg: