Possible deck skeletons for round 9

[hainkarga]

And i was testing this. With either aether or fire mark. Against ai3, fire mark worked better. but aether might be better against quanta denial.

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Doesn't fully rely on combo. Works without fractaling. Immolation is at worst a mana source even if combo doesn't fire.

I want to add that if entropy comes with quanta denial (especially pillar destruction), Immolation becomes more valuable as it allows summoning remaining fire cards and casts a nova.

Edit: i edited to post the actual deck i used in tests. I had upped 3x quantum pillars to towers, got rid of expensive cards such as AM & miracle and increased the amount of quantum pillars to withstand any denial. These changes reflect ak65's idea for going with cheaper cards.
Edit: In tests me & ak65 did, this deck appears to kick entropy's BH decks butt from earth to the moon. 

[hainkarga]

Something I have so far:

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I am trying to get past the cards that will cripple us, namely:
Black Hole
Nova
Earthquake

I do not expect much CC against us, perhaps a spattering.  I do not expect a large CC deck.  They will either attack us with a fast galboid nova or a slower nova black hole deck.  (I know, broken record).  This deck has cheep cards, a quantum pillar split and as much CC as we have access.

Looks nice, tho i will suggest setting mark to entropy and getting 2nd immolation in. So that you can use maxwell's demon's ability, get another mana source and compensate for the lack of fire. Also i'd like to remind that growing creatures (and demon) go bad against a quanta denial deck if that is on your mind.

Edit: Then again it really depends on your draw, if you draw fire cards but no immolation, it might be troublesome. So maybe you can keep mark of fire and get rid of demon. But in either case, i like the 2nd immolation in there, it speeds things up a lot.

[MyNameIsJoey]

Idk if you guys have tried anything liek this, but i would go with that :

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with upped phoenixes, 1 fractal and 2 cremations

inconvenients : if we dont draw devs / spirit for cremation fodder

[hainkarga]

I'm not sure what the exact decks jippy tested. But on my tests with ak65, i used the following decks versus ak65's BH deck & graboid deck.

First one annihilated entropy's BH deck (the one that was used against jijo) even after ak65 played 6 black holes to heal himself and had a fog shield. It wasn't a hard 2-0. Fractal phoenix worked both times. I think the key is being overloaded with quantum pillars which managed to withstand against black holes and still executed the combo.
The deck is as follows:

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The deck is as follows:

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My conclusion: I would rather use the fractal combo than not. But as ak65 suggested, not completely rely on it and still use growing creatures as well as disposing of expensive cards (thats what i attempted to do on the first deck). Besides, altough i didn't include them, it might be a good idea to use some cc.

@jippy, could you post the decks you tested and the results ?
@jijo, i think you need to test your deck ideas against one of us and tell the results.
@ak65, i think wings might be better against either BH deck or graboid deck than fog shield. Or you can just take both.

At the end of the day, ak65 is going to choose his deck and i trust his judgement.

Edit: I made a wrong copy paste on the first deck. Fixed.

[hainkarga]

I also want to mention these;

** Rainbow and with mark of aether, you can fractal your opponents creatures to hurt him, which means you won't really need any combo (no immolation nor phoenix needed). They will probably use lycan which is perfect for this purpose.

** immolation makes 1st / 2nd turn lava golem possible. Immolation is also the strongest counter against quanta denial in game.

** Using lots of quantum pillars speeds the deck up and counters quanta denial to a degree.

[ak65ala]

(I guess we don't have the thread yet... but here works!)

Here is what I am thinking:

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Same as your deck above hainkarga, just took a quantum pillar out and added our black hole.  The fractals still work, even with the nerf, due to the mark.  Everything else is cheep.  Can hit 7-8 turn wins, which will fight nicely if they do an upped galboid rush against us.  Quantum split to hamper EQs against us.  High pillar count to minimize black hole's effects.  Will be slightly less effective against a mono... but I don't see them doing that.  I give us good chances of winning with it... but lady luck must be with us!

Salvage has to be:
2x immolation
3x phoenix
1x fractal

We will have to convert 3 cards to quantum pillars as well.  This is tough because everything will be useful if the right situation comes up... I'm thinking:
2x flying weapon
1x eternity

Eternity is too costly in most rainbows, with 3x time needed for ability, needs to be a time mark, and we don't have the backbone for a time-bow.  Flying weapons are great, but slow for bows.  Another alternative is dropping owl's eye instead of 1 of the flying weapons.  For the same reasons for eternity.  Discuss.

[Spielkind]

looks realy nice! hope it will work!

[Spielkind]

i salvaged and discard already, plz try to make it till tomorrow what have to convert? i will edit it then!

[hainkarga]

I tested this one a lot. Pretty fast with a good hand. In fact, there are multiple good starting hands as you can either potentially summon lava golem on 1st turn or wait and fractal phoenixes or if you have neither, you can play like an ordinary rainbow creature deck. The only possible problem with fractaling is that you might be short on fire quanta to play phoenixes if you didn't draw an immolation. But having more than average pillars hopefully deals with that. And the upside of fractal is that you can use them on opponents creatures if it is convenient even if it is to summon 2-3 creatures (something that team fire could not do, but we have all colors of quanta we need). Deck is vulnerable to heavy cc but resillient against quanta denial. Entropy is troublesome with their vault arsenal, but i think this deck has fairly good chances to beat them down.

[jippy99]

Possibly add a discord and a flying weapon to that?  Otherwise, it looks very good.

[ak65ala]

Possibly add a discord and a flying weapon to that?  Otherwise, it looks very good.

I'm taking a bet on them using novas to guard against a discord.  We have used the disrupt-bow unchanged 3 times now.  The best guard against it is nova.  If they do use novas, then discord becomes useless.  So instead of taking a bet of them thinking against us thinking against them, I just want to remove that piece from our deck and keep it very quick and sleek.  I know you are all very for discords, and I agree, they are great, but I think this time we should keep it in the vault for our next round.

I am trying to keep most "combos" out of the deck.  There are a lot of synergies (Fractal+phoenix, immolation+phoenix) but I want to keep situational cards out of the deck.  Not drawing a weapon and having flying weapon in hand is like not drawing a card at all.  I want this deck to be quick and deadly, and anything to slow it down I believe we have taken out.

Please throw me a counter argument and I might change my mind.  Hainkarga convinced me that fractal can still work against rainbow control. This is not a 'no', just my feeling on the issue to date.

[Spielkind]

no use for entropyquanta... fleshspider AND arsenic on deathquanta... arsenic is one poison card... not realy good for a deck... discord is EVERYTIME good! so if 50% will use a nva and 50% mono duo... thats 50% the better choice! and the other 50% it can also make them cry!!! so USE IT!!! we have no vault next game if we loose this one, so dont let the good cards back in for some minor reason... it will kill your enemy, think of me tomorrow!  8)