Possible deck skeletons for round 9

[hainkarga]

Here i wanted to make a list of possible deck manifests we could field only using our rainbow deck & vault. I believe we can make even more of those skeleton decks. If jijo wins, then we will have even more options.

Before going on decks, what do we have ?
If we loot 2x Immolation, 3x Phoenix, 1xFractal

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30xcards from our rainbow deck
12xcards from our vault
6xcards from the round 8 loot

48xcards total

These are prior to ji412jo's match.

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1st deck: This one is a potential flying weapon deck. I like presence of the owl's eye. But it is subject to change depending of how many air cards the deck would use.

2nd deck Core of fractal phoenix deck. Rest of the cards will be decoration. Except for the fact that we need to decide between 3rd immolation or 3rd phoenix on round 8 loot phase. An example deck and its usage could be like i posted on Round 8 salvage (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17824.msg242716#msg242716) topic. But i did that one with a little haste, we can improve it a lot. Altough i didn't include, lava golem fits this deck very well.

3rd deck Core of quanta denial deck. Maxwell's demon is questionable, but i believe it proved its worth a lot of times. Altough i didn't include, miracle probably will always be in this deck. This deck can also get an extra fractal if we loot it from ak65's winning match.

- All these decks can be decorated with (abomination & lycan if ji wins), (spider, mummy), (phoenix, golem), (forest spirit) cards as well as permanent control (deflag, steal).

- 2nd deck has option to choose discords, arsenics, owl's eyes as weapon (s). But probably 2xdiscord fits this one very well.

- All decks can use miracle.

- All decks can use fog shield & wings.

- Among all 3 decks, the only "must have" upped cards are the minor phoenixes in fractix deck. Supernova's are vital for 1st and 3rd deck as they have mark of entropy. Its risky for fractix deck unless we change its mark from to . Besides that, upped immolation is also good.

**** It is also very possible just to combine these skeletons. It is not so hard to merge fractal & phoenix (2ximmo + 3x phoenix) into quanta-denial rainbow deck!

Amount of quantum pillars are subject to change depending on how many creatures the deck will have. I put 5 to all of them just for the basic looks.

I will list how many of which creatures and support cards we can use after jijo's match.

PS: That bloody fractal nerf had to hit just the time we could make good use of it : (

/sabbah

[hainkarga]

**** It is also very possible just to combine these skeletons. It is not so hard to merge fractal & phoenix (2ximmo + 3x phoenix) into quanta-denial rainbow deck!

Allright, starting with this one.

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Still have all the quanta denial goodies + more firepower & speed.

More coming soon.

[hainkarga]

And this one offers two ways of dealing damage; fractal phoenix and flying weapons. I naturally tested it for a bit, and its working fair enough very good.

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[hainkarga]

Not much to say, this is our standart control-bow. Adding it for the record. We can tweak it depending on our round 9 match. Personally, i like the above control-version better with the phoenixes.

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[Spielkind]

if you talk about decks... should we play with 30+? cause stall and deckout would be the best way against us and entropy has this vault to do it!

[hainkarga]

That is up to predicting our opponent's deck. Ak65ala is onto examining entropy vault. Any of us could (or maybe should) help him predict possible decks they will come with. Going 30+ is something we can do but not necessarily needed. In fact, it severely harms the chances to draw what we need. Keep in mind that we have 3 card restriction, hence, then bigger the deck, the harder to get the combo cards. For example, it is already hard to draw limited phoenixes and immolations in a possible fractix deck. It would be even harder if we put them in a 30+ deck. We already suffered from limited immolations before (me on round 5).

So i wouldn't go 30+ decks unless we foresee a huge stall deck against us and if it is really needed *(countering a stall deck does not necessarily mean going with a crowded deck). The other possibility is only if the deck we might build looks more handsome and more solid when it is 30+. Everyone is welcome to come up with such decks if they create or modify one.

Adding the extra cards is an easy process, lets not worry about it until we know possible opponents.

[ak65ala]

Patch 1.26 is now on.  This will mess with our fractal's effectiveness....

Will be doing tests on these decks to see which ones work best against a black hole/nova powered deck.  Will keep pushing through their vault and available cards to see if I can more pin-point their weapon against us.  I need my deck to be light (not many high cost cards), be able to disrupt their plans (keep them from having 4 gravity quanta) and be able to deal with threats (galboids... those *will not add such words to this post*) 

If we use phoenix and fractal, we might need a aether mark.  I like the disrupting portions of the deck we have been using, but if speed will do it for us, let us rush them faster then they think is possible.  I like the look of the flying weapons phoenix deck, but with an eather mark.  They shouldn't be putting anti-mater against us. 

[hainkarga]

You might want to take 3rd immolation instead of 3rd phoenix if you change the mark and want to test it. I tested that deck and it was having troubles in department after a fractal, thats why i made the mark .

[ak65ala]

Some thoughts:  I feel entropy will throw a nova deck at us in the least.  I'm anticipating something like this one (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17499.0.html).  I don't think they will use discords against us.  They know we have a rainbow.  I also plan to see black holes.

I don't want to use our discords due to them being ineffective against a nova.  They turn into a 4 damage dagger that might hurt them, but might help them just as much.  Even though I love devourers, they are ineffective against nova.  I feel we should leave them out too.  (Watch entropy shock me and play against the counter of our counter, a mono or duo deck)

In testing I was having problem with the immolations and the phoenix fractal-ing.  There were not enough creatures to immolate and relying on the phoenix's causes a 3 card combo in a deck of 30 when you have 3 of each card.  I love combos, but only when they are reliable.  Even when I play a  fairly easy combo deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13018.msg177121#msg177121), I hate getting hurt by not drawing the right cards.  That is why I liked our disrupt-bow... each card helped the other, but there was no needed 'cog' to make it work.  In my mind, a good theme deck > a combo deck just because of reliability. 

Still playing around with what we have, still testing.

[jippy99]

And this one offers two ways of dealing damage; fractal phoenix and flying weapons. I naturally tested it for a bit, and its working fair enough very good.

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I really like this deck.  If we are expecting entropy's half rainbow with novas, definitely go with a BH.  Remember, we can build a deck bigger than 30 cards, which I think is the right choice here.  Not too many over 30, for that will disrupt the combos that we need.  32-34 sounds about right.

[ak65ala]

Something I have so far:

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I am trying to get past the cards that will cripple us, namely:
Black Hole
Nova
Earthquake

I do not expect much CC against us, perhaps a spattering.  I do not expect a large CC deck.  They will either attack us with a fast galboid nova or a slower nova black hole deck.  (I know, broken record).  This deck has cheep cards, a quantum pillar split and as much CC as we have access. 

[jippy99]

ak, come to chat and we'll test?