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Aitvaras

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How to go from here? (Decks -> Vault) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25453.msg324165#msg324165
« on: May 01, 2011, 02:17:15 pm »
Ok so thusfar we've all agreed on using:
Scrambled Shriekers
Graboid/GotP
Trap bow

What do we add? Where do we all agree on?
choose any amount of options, but only those you realy prefer and only those that logicaly fit together.

Hoping this gives good results, problem is it will likely sparkle more discussion. Please try to keep away from excessive voting.. If we finish this poll with 6 options with 2 or more votes, or only 6 options voted on at all.. we will start getting near to that 9 decks.

Heres on of those Duos we could use.. many are posted so please specify which one your vote was meant for, else I wouldve had to go thru the entire deck concepts thread and make options for all those decks.
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Aitvaras

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Re: How to go from here? (Decks -> Vault) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25453.msg324170#msg324170
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2011, 02:24:12 pm »
For denial I think anything devourer fractal based with either EQ and/or Discord is going to be a fine addition to our vault.

For rainbow rush just an earth themed rush with arsenic+creatures for damage. add some deflags,cc and a single momentum.

The air/death duo has my vote.

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Re: How to go from here? (Decks -> Vault) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25453.msg324180#msg324180
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2011, 02:36:25 pm »
I'm for using the duo in the OP.

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Re: How to go from here? (Decks -> Vault) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25453.msg324263#msg324263
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2011, 04:27:15 pm »
The options are nice overall but we need more before deciding.
I found a few skeleton builds that we could improve thanks to thew new options of the version and the fact we arent 30 card bound, like last team:
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We need more duos and monos to fill the vault, i wouldnt necro this concepts if i wasnt sure of that.
As they were in the day of their making they didnt worked(they were to futuristic for their time), but we have the resources the last team didnt have(and shiny new cards) to boost this decks.
As for entropy/darkness, i would like to see a variant of this:
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phaedrus

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Re: How to go from here? (Decks -> Vault) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25453.msg324313#msg324313
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2011, 05:35:33 pm »
I prefer the ent/dark that ait posted I think, though it may need more balancing.
Maxwells could replace aboms easily.
The one shining posted is strong too though so some more serious testing may be required.

I forgot to vote for it, but I think we should maybe look at the immo rush again.
Maybe tweaked more towards this though.
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I think this denial is very strong. Maybe with a heal or two though instead of the sanc for better early game healing?
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The OTK deck is worth taking I think.

As for a rainbow rush, I voted for it and would like to see people's take on it, but lately I've been leaning towards this for a rainbow build. It needs tweaking though. Not sure if the precogs are necessary, etc.
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As for the air death, I'm still working on finding the right balance.

Lets try not to overthink too much.
Right now I'm leaning towards just making sure we have 9 strong decks so that wil do well in round 5. Things will look different after we've salvaged.


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Re: How to go from here? (Decks -> Vault) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25453.msg324319#msg324319
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2011, 05:47:46 pm »
The duo in the Open post looks good.
So aitvaras posted it, Neo and me agrees. Lets put it in if no one disagrees.
Also the air/death duo has 4 votes already, I say it goes in.  ;)

Aitvaras

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Re: How to go from here? (Decks -> Vault) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25453.msg324347#msg324347
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2011, 06:05:38 pm »
the deck was made by Pheadrus if i recall correctly.

edit: i do recall correctly.

If AKs (or another devourer denial) is also in the vault this deck could also be swapped with what Shining posted, if we take some BEs in our vault. Depending on situation/who plays ofcourse.

¹ShiningSword± That life deck with adding mitosis looks alot like what Sevs life rush would be about.

ShiningSword

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Re: How to go from here? (Decks -> Vault) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25453.msg324476#msg324476
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2011, 07:47:14 pm »
the deck was made by Pheadrus if i recall correctly.

edit: i do recall correctly.

If AKs (or another devourer denial) is also in the vault this deck could also be swapped with what Shining posted, if we take some BEs in our vault. Depending on situation/who plays ofcourse.

¹ShiningSword± That life deck with adding mitosis looks alot like what Sevs life rush would be about.
Now that you mention it, it does. I thnik i forgot about it while posting it.

LongDono

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Re: How to go from here? (Decks -> Vault) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25453.msg324582#msg324582
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2011, 09:49:06 pm »
The poison deck posted by tttt in deck concepts has my vote.

So no one disagrees with trapbow, Graboid of the past, Air/death, and scramble shrikers. Also the deck in the open post no one disagrees with. Those 5 should be added.
We should have about 5 cards go with trapbow that we can add in to it depending on the foe, 3 cards for Graboid of the past, 4 cards for Air/death, and 3 cards for scramble shrikers.

Not good with trapbow seeing how I never played it before so..... idk
Scamble shrikers should have 1 purify, 1 RT, and 1 momentum to go with the deck.
Air/death 1 bonewall, 1 Owls eye, 2 shockwaves
Graboid of the past ( not sure of what version ) should have 1 shriker and golem each for extra, and 1 eternity
Changes? ( feel free )
I will let Aitvaras decide what version of what deck should be played. He is the vault org. I trust him.

ShiningSword

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Re: How to go from here? (Decks -> Vault) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25453.msg324662#msg324662
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2011, 11:28:50 pm »
Air/death needs to use air mark with death pends(it runs smoother and can resist EQ decks).

phaedrus

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Re: How to go from here? (Decks -> Vault) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25453.msg324667#msg324667
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2011, 11:39:35 pm »
@Shining
Please post the air death mod you would like to see.
Personally I prefer using death mark vs eq as then your creatures come out and the first turns of the pendulums pay for wings.
But it might not make a difference.

@Ait,
Ya we could potentially carry both ent/dark duos.
Thats definitely worth considering.

@Long
Bonewall doesn't do air/death much good in my opinion. Neither does owls eye really. Shockwaves are a yes though.\
I don't really see a reason to have mods in the vault for the duos in general unless we're running two pretty different decks off the same duo like ent/dark.

@Everyone,
We all need to know these decks forwards and backwards.
So start playing with them!

ShiningSword

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Re: How to go from here? (Decks -> Vault) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25453.msg324673#msg324673
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2011, 11:49:11 pm »
@Shining
Please post the air death mod you would like to see.
Personally I prefer using death mark vs eq as then your creatures come out and the first turns of the pendulums pay for wings.
But it might not make a difference.

@Ait,
Ya we could potentially carry both ent/dark duos.
Thats definitely worth considering.

@Long
Bonewall doesn't do air/death much good in my opinion. Neither does owls eye really. Shockwaves are a yes though.\
I don't really see a reason to have mods in the vault for the duos in general unless we're running two pretty different decks off the same duo like ent/dark.

@Everyone,
We all need to know these decks forwards and backwards.
So start playing with them!
I dont really have the mod, because i wasnt playing it in the testing. But as soon as the pends changed, it destroyed my EQ graboid deck(the wings were actually coming out, and the death quanta from pends went to poison and arsenic). It had owls eyes, which really helped keeping my graboids on the ground, and a fog as a backup stall method.
Neopergoss should have the deck, as he was using it.

 

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