Decks to salvage

[jippy99]

I might add the 2 minor vamps to my deck, as they fit the catergory for BEs.

[ak65ala]

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Here, since they know 2/3 our decks have discords, they might use rainbows, for this reason i would go with adding Black holes in this deck. Also, since FFQ gives light quanta with the fireflies, we could add a miracle.

MY THOUGTS ARE:
- maxwell demons
- toadfish
-forest spirit
+ black hole x2
+ miracle

I dont know if you dont like this, or are completely ignoring me >.> but damn at least comment it and tell why you dont like it if you dont

I read this post a few days ago, so I am not trying to ignore you, there has just been further discussion upon our salvages since which I felt was moving in a good direction.  My salvage list is not final, just my thoughts to date.

Taking the demon and the toadfish out of the deck kills all CC.  Something like 60% of creatures can be one shot by the demon, and the toadfish can push all the rest to the point where the demon can intervene or outright kill as well.  Even with this minimal CC, it will keep us alive in some situations.  Without the fish and the forest spirit, we have no reason for our water quanta, which it is nice to have as balanced of a rainbow as possible.  Yes, we do have no sink for gravity quanta either. 

The forest spirit is the exact same as the golem: a target for quint, a beefy attacker to end the game with, get past shields.  Taking him out limits the deck's damage output by even more.  Removing all 3 proposed creatures limits our quint targets to the golem, FFQ and devourers... and we have a very slim win condition (hoping we draw FFQ or golem with enough time to kill.)

I do see where you are going with BH.  I was thinking about that one as well.  I don't mind putting 1-2 in, but it becomes a balance between what the devourer's suck up, if we get our discord out, earthquake nullifying their quanta production, and if they even use rainbow or not.  I felt that we have enough messing with their quanta that BH would merely become a sub-par heal, if that.  Again, if you think 1-2 is a good idea, we can go that route, but I did not see anything I wanted to remove, so I felt BH was just shy of being there. 

I agree 100% about adding a miracle, but I don't want to take anything away.  Yes, this gives us 31 cards, but that way if we hit a 30 card deck we stall each other, we can win by deck-out. 

[ak65ala]

- We can use darkness cards in the first deck in order to modify our rainbow deck to something like i posted. If you guys liked it of course.
- Miracle, Wings and Owl's eye are good backup options for titan deck. We can replace them with of Pandemonium, Fire Storm or even quantum pillar. It depends if ak65 is going to use that deck again or if we face an element with so little vault that we can predict their deck.
- Its hard to change our entropy & darkness deck. Perhaps it can get a drain life or a Black Dragon and give one of the hax shields to one of our rainbows.

Just so you don't feel left out either hainkarga.  Yes, the other teams know our vault.  I do feel what we have left is varied enough in attacking style that we shouldn't need to mess with the 'perfection' of decks you have built for us.  I feel messing with them with the very limited options only hurts them.  I do appreciate the effort you have put into it.  Each hard counter to one our decks is trumped by one of our other decks, so they would have to be very gutsy to pull something like that.

Our rainbow denial should stay as rainbow as possible.  This is their strengths, using all the quanta evenly.  Pushing it into darkness, but only halfway will hurt the rainbow portion of the deck and not give us the 'umph' that darkness can really do.

Wings is a good backup for the titan deck.  We might want to grab some.  In playing the deck however, I feel we don't want to push beyond 30 cards, since drawing the 4-6 needed for the combo is hard enough.  CCing is not needed (from OE) since the shields and sundials do most of that.  Titan is also very cc resilient (50hp) and a flying OE would die much easier (7hp ?).  In my match, one of my titans was kicked down to 20hp.  It was a futile effort, but shows how much CC they had packed, and now resistant the titan is.

I agree with how hard it is to change our entropy-darkness deck.

[hainkarga]

Most importantly, ak65, ji412 and jippy should feel good about the decks they are going to play next round. So i merely made suggestions, and its better if you guys have the last word about changing them or not. I have faith in you!

[Spielkind]

i will change the vault between 16:00 and 18:00 gmt tomorrow!
plz get your decks up till then and let me now, what to salvage!

[MyNameIsJoey]

ak, i have played the deck myself spirit fights for quanta with toadfish + FFQ, toadfish fights for quanta with FFQ + spirit. As for maxwell, if you want a chance to get antimatter out at all you better not play it. though, you will be playing it this round, you decide whatever you want to take or not

[ak65ala]

ak, i have played the deck myself spirit fights for quanta with toadfish + FFQ, toadfish fights for quanta with FFQ + spirit. As for maxwell, if you want a chance to get antimatter out at all you better not play it. though, you will be playing it this round, you decide whatever you want to take or not

I get your point.  Ok, lets do this.  Lets take 2 black holes out of the mark of gravity deck and two less wind pillars out of it.  I will keep the deck the it the way it is + 1 miracle, and if I win, and you use it later, we can have the BH ready for you.

[ak65ala]

Spielkind, to make your life easier, here is what is what we are salvaging:

Mark of air deck:
  x2 Shockwave
  x1 Fog Shield
  x2 Minor Vampire
  x1 Owl's Eye

Mark of gravity deck:
  x1 Fog Shield
  x1 Owl's Eye
  x2 Black Hole
  x2 Wind Pillar

Mark of fire deck:
  x2 Miracle
  x2 Rage potion
  x1 Fahrenheit
  x1 Deflagaration

Remove the losing decks, put these cards in, and we are good to go (I'm sure you know this already!).

[Spielkind]

done  8)