Deck Concepts

[phaedrus]

@ Shining

Using discord and devos together seems counter productive to me. Why bother devouring what you've already scrambled?
I've never had problems with the offensive. Even pulling a fractal in the last 5-7 cards would still give enough damage unless there is a shield like dusk or ice or something like that up. EQs and reverse times do enough to support the devos in my opinion.

The immo rush has pillar support as well, which helps stabilize.
It can do 7 turns without much trouble at all and recovers fairly well from bad starts IMO.
You may very well be right that a rainbow rush could outclass it, I'll start working on one.
 

[Sevs]

in tttt's why not shockwaves instead of chaos seeds as they do more damage and can target the person directly for the last minute punch with lightnings

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immo
-actually works smoother than you think. also what about lightning vs chaos seed? or shockwave because you have the freeze there

denial
a little unstable and maybe inconsistant in drawing the right cards for the early denial. needs something to stall before hand. but if it starts moving then it works

control bow
if you are having quanta trouble with the last one maybe +firefly queen - hourglass +mark of air - something else + miracle.  the light from the fireflies goes to waste. and the more fire flies that die in the pandemonium the bigger the bone wall so early firefly queen = good.

and discord scrambles quanta for the early denial while the dev's drain the scrambled quanta letting discord scramble the main source again. they are actually really efficient together.

[phaedrus]

In the immo deck I just went down to 1 quanta cards because in general a criticism is the potential weakness of the 3 novas and 3 immos supplying the quanta.
I think it can support 2 quanta cards though and am game to go for lightning/shockwave/freeze or lycan/arsenic/lightning or something else along those lines.

Ahhh, the discord/devo combo makes more sense now.
Thanks.

I like your thoughts on the control bow changes Sevs.
Here is an updated version of that. Took out the steals too because we don't want to steal shields when the wall is up. Also it may be worthwhile to take either the gargoyle or toadfish out in favor of a 12th pillar.

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[Sevs]

I really like that ffq panda deck, i feel like the precogs might be alittle out of place but i am not sure.

[tttt]

@tttt
I'm not sure a deck like that could go multiple rounds.
Maybe its just that I haven't played much with CC heavy decks like that much before.
Also, what about shockwave? Also also, its a cheap deck so I'm not sure you need that many pillars.

Sound opinion.
How abouts

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Pure CC=Pandamonium. Other CC/Direct Attack= Fire Bolt, Ice Bolt, 2xShockwve, Drain Life, 3xLightning. Targetable at player as well. *sigh* if only we could use more then 3 sundials, I feel maybe a bonewall or 2 may be needed.

[Sevs]

@tttt
I'm not sure a deck like that could go multiple rounds.
Maybe its just that I haven't played much with CC heavy decks like that much before.
Also, what about shockwave? Also also, its a cheap deck so I'm not sure you need that many pillars.

Sound opinion.
How abouts

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Pure CC=Pandamonium. Other CC/Direct Attack= Fire Bolt, Ice Bolt, 2xShockwve, Drain Life, 3xLightning. Targetable at player as well. *sigh* if only we could use more then 3 sundials, I feel maybe a bonewall or 2 may be needed.

as phaedrus says  it is a very cheap deck, some possible modifications maybe - shockwave + flying weapon and possibly a quint instead of a lightning

do you think those might be benificial?

[Neopergoss]

It's probably too late for fresh ideas that haven't been fleshed out yet, but this is from the nerf fractal thread:

put a red dragon -> fractal ball lightning -> air blitz -> chimera.

you now deals over 100 momentum damage in the next turn.
at the cost of 9 aether and 8 air 7 gravity 10 fire.
thats how the entire fight cost you!
this is ridicules .

I have personal fought this exact deck an hour ago:
opponent used sundials to protect itself until he got the 5 novas needed - 102 damage chimera in the next turn.

imo fractal is overpowered

It might be an easier OTK than the dragons. It takes fewer cards to pull it off. Would require BL (upped spark).

Which reminds me, someone suggested throwing cloak in there and I thought it was a pretty good idea.

[Sevs]

It's probably too late for fresh ideas that haven't been fleshed out yet, but this is from the nerf fractal thread:

put a red dragon -> fractal ball lightning -> air blitz -> chimera.

you now deals over 100 momentum damage in the next turn.
at the cost of 9 aether and 8 air 7 gravity 10 fire.
thats how the entire fight cost you!
this is ridicules .

I have personal fought this exact deck an hour ago:
opponent used sundials to protect itself until he got the 5 novas needed - 102 damage chimera in the next turn.

imo fractal is overpowered
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It might be an easier OTK than the dragons. It takes fewer cards to pull it off. Would require BL (upped spark).

Which reminds me, someone suggested throwing cloak in there and I thought it was a pretty good idea.

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it seems like it takes the same amount of time to draw all the components. but this would potentially just be a duo with the fractal BL skyblitz and a few previous hits from lobo. or even a wyrm

but the duo with dim shields leaves out the drawing power of the rainbow and the chimera, so idk if you got upped cards i think SN might be better

[Neopergoss]

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it seems like it takes the same amount of time to draw all the components. but this would potentially just be a duo with the fractal BL skyblitz and a few previous hits from lobo. or even a wyrm

but the duo with dim shields leaves out the drawing power of the rainbow and the chimera, so idk if you got upped cards i think SN might be better

A lot of choices for upgrades. The hourglasses remain an option as well.

That the smaller combo makes space for a few more cards and a smaller deck is significant. I think the cloaks actually fit better in the dragon deck as they can protect the dragons while they get in a few hits. Still useful here, though, as they help protect permanents as well. The enchant artifact is useful as well.

edit: It seems that the dragon has to be upped too or you just end up with a really weak chimera. Also, not sure why you have to BL's.

[Sevs]

That is why I have 2 lol

the upped dragon costs 12 instead of 10 which i think slows it down

play crimson dragon you have 2 cards in hand (chimera skyB) play 2 BL fractal +6 BL = 80+24 =104

[phaedrus]

I don't love the fractal BL option because it doesn't hold its own unupped (ie, with sparks).
Also, it seems aether heavy to me.
Haven't played it yet though so I may be wrong.

[LongDono]

I don't love the fractal BL option because it doesn't hold its own unupped (ie, with sparks).
Also, it seems aether heavy to me.
Haven't played it yet though so I may be wrong.

I agree. I am 100% against the deck.