Deck candidates

[ak65ala]

whats up? a whole day no posts? ahhh, not inactive before we begin war!!!

Not inactive, I just like to post when I have something to say.  I've been testing the various decks posted here and other ideas I have had and working up a plan for our vault.  You're not gonna get rid of me that easily.

[Spielkind]

i know that youre all active, but 1 day nothing to say 5 days before we have to start... it makes me a bit nervous  8)

i hope we can have the decks up before friday night, so we can look at saturday for their legalness and i can up the vault on sunday.

[jippy99]

We have gotten a lot of our decks out, so I dont think there is much to say here.  I think we should start to narrow down our choices.

[ak65ala]

We have gotten a lot of our decks out, so I dont think there is much to say here.  I think we should start to narrow down our choices.

I agree.  We have about 3 days left to get our vault together.  My plan is to start getting our list together tonight.  A good timeline would be:

today - limit our list
tomorrow - finish our list
last day - put them into the vault.

This makes the 4 days of deck building, planning of round 5 to be simple for us.  All we have to do is assign each deck to it's respective user.  We can use this time to do mock battles and make sure each member knows their assigned deck. 

Since we want to have the flexibility of assigning each deck to the correct opponent, I want us to build the vault as a flexible set of decks.  Will compile all my thoughts in a few hours.

[ak65ala]

Decided to sleep on my thoughts, but they are more concrete now.  I am going to hide the decks, so this post doesn't become mega long.  Let me know if that is annoying to anyone.  I find having to scroll for 15 hours more annoying then clicking to see the stuff.

We can tweak these decks, and some still need to be solidified.  But the idea is there and it will just take a few more min of discussion to finish.

Immolation Rush:

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Speed Rainbow:

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Shrieker Semi-Rush:

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58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 591 591 591 595 595 595 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5rg 5rj 5rk 5rm 5rm 5ro 5ro 5t2 5t2Shriekers... everyone has them, everyone hates them.  I like the first deck more, EQs and BB, but that is just me.  Both are effective, but I find that one has a good mix of control and power.

Control Rainbow:

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Fractal Chargers:

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Entropy-Death:

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Poison!:

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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52q 52t 52t 52t 52u 52u 52u 55q 55q 55q 576 576 576 576 5i5 5i5 5i5 5jm 5jm 5jmThese last two types I am still indecisive about.  For this one, I really like poison, I think it is a great strategy and bypasses a lot of ways the opponent tries to hurt you.  I have not gotten play-testing done on the first deck, but I feel it is solid.  Tweakige might be needed.  The next two decks were what we have proposed so far, but I feel they lack consistency and defense.  I placed it here just for posterity. 

Because life is not fun without options:

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We are down to 2 days, 4 hours to finish this off.  If we can get these complete by around this time tomorrow, then we can have our vault done and ready in time for the deadline.  Post any changes, suggestions, comments, complaints, ideas, thought provoking revelations, or anything else that will bring us to our goal. 

[jippy99]

I think that the only way to make fractal chargers effective is if they are upped, so I think that is either a general or lieutenant deck.

[MyNameIsJoey]

Ok, here is what i think
1- you should listen more to what your teammates have to say
2- fractal chagers dont work unupped
3- we have worked on a entropy darkness already in the decks we will use section of our secret forum
4- shrieker *rush* isnt a rush anymore
5- the others look *ok* but im not too crazy about it

[hainkarga]

Notes:

* 3 decks with discord, those being two rainbow decks, and entropy&darkness. At least 2xdiscords in each.
* I tested Entropy & Gravity (BH & GP) for a while, it works good.
* Earth & time with shriekers is always, always strong. The way to hold them is having stall decks built around shields. But we can always choose against whom we will use it, after we know who our opponents are. [Perhaps gotta rethink the impact of Hematite Golems]
* i already said my words about fractal charger & devourer decks.
* i lean towards #22 as for rainbow rush. [I'm rechecking that deck, your inputs are welcome.]
* I have concerns regarding control rainbow. Not sure how it will work out. I'll take your word if you say it worked in your tests.
* I'm not a fan of that many butterfly effect + devourers in the entropy & darkness deck, let alone slow gargoyles. Good against permanent based decks, weak against rush decks which doesn't care about permanents and weak against decks with any sort of cc, easily killing 2 hp devourers. The deck's stalling chance is playing a very early discord, but that is true for any entropy based deck anyway.
* Let one of us (not me) focus on a strong poison deck. I guess we have experienced players with poison decks. I'll merely comment on your final poison deck decision.

[MyNameIsJoey]

I am sorry i got carried away earlier, i pretty much meant everything but the number 5 though.

BH/discord is far from working as great without nymphs, and its better if we dont add them to the vault

fractal charger, use it if you want, but i am not taking this deck, im not going to lose my match because our team ended up not listening and taking a not effective deck

shrieker semi rush looks pretty good to me

Butterfly effects have proven themselves, for all the games ive played with darkness i think i can tell, but that can get out , it doesnt really matter.

strong poison deck, maybe i could propose my poisonbow? ( we can replace the 3 extra poisons by pillars or whatever )

[ak65ala]

Notes:

* 3 decks with discord, those being two rainbow decks, and entropy&darkness. At least 2xdiscords in each.

Good or bad?

* I tested Entropy & Gravity (BH & GP) for a while, it works good.
* Earth & time with shriekers is always, always strong. The way to hold them is having stall decks built around shields. But we can always choose against whom we will use it, after we know who our opponents are. [Perhaps gotta rethink the impact of Hematite Golems]

I found the Shrieker deck to be good against creature based decks, and poor against shields, CC or EQ.  If you find a way to make it work without the golems, we can do that.  I did find that they were a second thought in my tests.

* i already said my words about fractal charger & devourer decks.

I feel we have nothing to tackle a well built stall deck, but since out teammates do not like the idea, I will take it off the list.

* i lean towards #22 as for rainbow rush. [I'm rechecking that deck, your inputs are welcome.]

I find the rainbow deck I put as last to be the fastest of the bunch.  It has the most consistent draws and hit hard.  If you like #22 better, we will run that one.  I have faith in our deck builder.

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* I have concerns regarding control rainbow. Not sure how it will work out. I'll take your word if you say it worked in your tests.

In tests, it does well, has many ways to lock/disrupt the opponent.  I will continue looking at it and see if I can modify it to run smoother, see what I can do.  And of course, if the team doesn't want it, it can be axed.

* I'm not a fan of that many butterfly effect + devourers in the entropy & darkness deck, let alone slow gargoyles. Good against permanent based decks, weak against rush decks which doesn't care about permanents and weak against decks with any sort of cc, easily killing 2 hp devourers. The deck's stalling chance is playing a very early discord, but that is true for any entropy based deck anyway.

We had quite the discussion for this deck.  A lot of ideas.  It's a good element duo, but we need to make sure it works.

* Let one of us (not me) focus on a strong poison deck. I guess we have experienced players with poison decks. I'll merely comment on your final poison deck decision.

So far I have not created a reliable poison deck.  They are another answer to stall, which I believe we will see, but I have not gotten one to click.  Poison's foundation is adding poison consistently each turn ASAP.  So far each type I've tried either did not draw the necessary cards, or was too slow, or inconsistent in adding poison.  We might have to trash that idea.

[ak65ala]

I am sorry i got carried away earlier, i pretty much meant everything but the number 5 though.

BH/discord is far from working as great without nymphs, and its better if we dont add them to the vault

fractal charger, use it if you want, but i am not taking this deck, im not going to lose my match because our team ended up not listening and taking a not effective deck

shrieker semi rush looks pretty good to me

Butterfly effects have proven themselves, for all the games ive played with darkness i think i can tell, but that can get out , it doesnt really matter.

strong poison deck, maybe i could propose my poisonbow? ( we can replace the 3 extra poisons by pillars or whatever )

Hahaa, I was finishing up a reply to you, then you answered everything yourself. 

I will take out the fractal charger, it is causing more heartache than is worth. 

I will look at your poison bow again, I had some inconsistent draws, but it might just be me hitting bad luck.  If you are happy with it though, we can add it.  This is not just my team, it is our team.

I will get a more concise list here in a few hours, I want to test some more and it gives you all more time to test as well.  Gonna push it down to 8, see how we like the look of them all and mutate them from there.

[hainkarga]

Notes:

* 3 decks with discord, those being two rainbow decks, and entropy&darkness. At least 2xdiscords in each.

Good or bad?

Good! I'm a huge fan of discord, the more discords, the merrier!

* I tested Entropy & Gravity (BH & GP) for a while, it works good.
* Earth & time with shriekers is always, always strong. The way to hold them is having stall decks built around shields. But we can always choose against whom we will use it, after we know who our opponents are. [Perhaps gotta rethink the impact of Hematite Golems]

I found the Shrieker deck to be good against creature based decks, and poor against shields, CC or EQ.  If you find a way to make it work without the golems, we can do that.  I did find that they were a second thought in my tests.

I'm on it.

* i already said my words about fractal charger & devourer decks.

I feel we have nothing to tackle a well built stall deck, but since out teammates do not like the idea, I will take it off the list.

Looks like you & me like it, ji412 and jippy don't. But i rather not make them unhappy.

* i lean towards #22 as for rainbow rush. [I'm rechecking that deck, your inputs are welcome.]

I find the rainbow deck I put as last to be the fastest of the bunch.  It has the most consistent draws and hit hard.  If you like #22 better, we will run that one.  I have faith in our deck builder.

Sure, let me attempt to make a hybrid. But mind you, i'll put 2 discords in that either way Thanks.

* I have concerns regarding control rainbow. Not sure how it will work out. I'll take your word if you say it worked in your tests.

In tests, it does well, has many ways to lock/disrupt the opponent.  I will continue looking at it and see if I can modify it to run smoother, see what I can do.  And of course, if the team doesn't want it, it can be axed.

I just haven't tested it. I guess you have.