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Re: Community Card Design : Gaian vs Cthonic [Core Set Card 5 - ???] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45540.msg1032773#msg1032773
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2013, 10:49:47 pm »
Quite right.  Any permanent sounds like a good idea then.
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Community Card Design : Gaian vs Cthonic [Core Set Card 6 - Cthonic Scrapyard] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45540.msg1035185#msg1035185
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2013, 10:34:07 pm »
Card 5/16 ( :entropy spell ) has been finished.
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Radiation Leak
4 | 3 :entropy
Spell
All allied creatures get +1 | +1 until the end of your next turn and may be mutated. Your creatures with Genesis Counters get a random positive status effect. (Wisdom,  Momentum, Adrenaline, Quintessence, Purify, etc...)  (Positive Status is permanent. Ignores Immaterial.)
Place a Genesis Counter on each creature you control.
Notes:
The first copy you play typically won't give a status effect bonus because the counter placement occurs -after-it checks for Genesis counters.
Mutation chance is 15% per creature.

Our next idea focuses on the balancing of Cthonic Scrapyard and is being discussed at http://sync.in/CIPGaianvsCthonic . Feel free to go there and share your thoughts on the card.

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Community Card Design : Gaian vs Cthonic [Core Set Card 7 - Open to Suggestions] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45540.msg1040545#msg1040545
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2013, 09:39:05 pm »
Card 6/16 has been finalized.
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Cthonic Scrapyard | Cthonic Depot
2 | 1 Other
Generates 3 random quanta per turn. Add a stack when a permanent is destroyed.
Notes : Is not a pillar, but can stack like a Shard or Bonewall. Earthquake will only trigger as 1 permanent destroyed not 3.
Effect stacks. Targeting Scrapyard itself will not cause the effect to trigger.

Our next idea is open to suggestions. Feel free to suggest any cards here or develop the following concepts already suggested:

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A perm that has the ability to sacrifice a creature to return quanta
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I was thinking of an 'Evolving' type card that grew every time a card activated an ability. (This would synergize well with Gaian's constant counter-placement abilities.)

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Re: Community Card Design : Gaian vs Cthonic [Core Set Card 7 - Open to Suggestions] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45540.msg1040631#msg1040631
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2013, 01:43:06 am »
Old Growth Forest Ent
 :life
Gaian

at the end of each turn, add a genesis counter
if there are 3 or more counters, remove 3 to create 3 Old Growth Forest Ent

x|x where x == the number of genesis counters on the card

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Re: Community Card Design : Gaian vs Cthonic [Core Set Card 7 - Open to Suggestions] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45540.msg1044558#msg1044558
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2013, 04:41:12 pm »
Long time since I last did something...This looks like fun!
Cthonic Spell- :fire
Reforge? (name will need work)
4 :fire/3 :fire
target pillar becomes a creature.
card-pillar golem
stats vary, generates 1 :underworld quanta, quanta determined by type of pillar targeted ( :gravity pillar=gravity creature, so on and so forth)

The idea here, is basically to take an ancient shrine and it's power, and somehow 'reforge' the whole thing into a golem soldier of some sort.
Out with the old, in with the new, as I imagine the Cthonics say...
Something I must ask-why disinclude  :aether? The element seems to have 'lightning' as an aspect of it, seems to me like that would meld well with it.
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Re: Community Card Design : Gaian vs Cthonic [Core Set Card 7 - Open to Suggestions] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45540.msg1044593#msg1044593
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2013, 06:20:10 pm »
Ent - sounds interesting and rather simple - if not dealt with in time auto-growth is very powerful in a stall, which allows the card to be a good finisher in various decks.
Reforge - Recycling pillars does sound very Cthonic, especially in the late game where they usuall generate excess quanta if you are not using Fractal or Bolts. The theme also fits well for Fire.
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Something I must ask-why disinclude :aether ? The element seems to have 'lightning' as an aspect of it, seems to me like that would meld well with it.
We are not including all 12 elements in the Core set to avoid stretching the theme just to cover everything in one go.
It is possible for the unused elements ( :death :aether :time ) to appear in a later series involving either or other factions.

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Re: Community Card Design : Gaian vs Cthonic [Core Set Card 7 - Open to Suggestions] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45540.msg1044603#msg1044603
« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2013, 06:37:20 pm »
 :death :aether :time...
The ever patient ghosts, growing with every generation of deaths, to feed their numbers, who wish to transform the cities of the Gaians and Cthonics into Necropolis (what's the plural of that word?) for their own use.
They call us dead? They don't even know what dwells beyond the veil separating us from them! Foolish children, thinking that matters of the corporeal are worthy of effort! They will all come to us in time, even if we watch, and wait, from beyond their enshackled mind's comprehensions, much less their 'physical' reach! They cannot kill us, only disperse the energies that we use to assist them to joining us.
We, are the Inevitable fate of all things, though the transitory mortals seem to prefer to call us nihi (Nihis is the plural form of that name.)
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But for now, a gift to the Gaians.
Gaian swarm.
4 :life/4 :life
(1/1) (2/1)
every turn, gain a Genesis counter, gain +0/+1 for every counter.
0:remove three Genesis counters, spawn a Gain swarm.

Basically, you can stack counters for increased durability, but the point is to use the counters to create more and more swarms until you overwhelm the opponent with weight of numbers.

Gaian Totem Gaurdian/ Gaian Ancestral
5 :earth/5 :earth
1 :earth, gain a Genesis counter, usable once a turn.
gain +1/+1 for every Genesis counter on it.
I figure the earth creature, can be something that becomes more dangerous as genesis counters are added, and be the 'generals/leaders' to the swarming ever spawning expendable life soldiers.
Basically, think of the gaurdians as the 'chieftains' while the swam represents the common soldier.
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Re: Community Card Design : Gaian vs Cthonic [Core Set Card 9] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45540.msg1045484#msg1045484
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2013, 04:12:09 pm »
As a sidenote - :death :aether :time can appear in Gaian/Cthonic (I personally see :death as mostly Gaian, :aether as mostly Cthonic, and :time being able to fit in either depending on the theme.)

Having future factions like the Nihils might also be interesting in a later expansion.

Cards 7 and 8 have been finalized! As of this post, Gaian vs. Cthonic now has 50% of its cards done.
Special thanks to the ETG chat users who helped really shape out what the Spawn and Hatch concepts are supposed to look like.

Quote from: 7/16
Ooze Pool | Ooze Garden
Permanent
4 | 3 :life
At the end of each turn, add a Genesis counter.
:life : Remove all counters to spawn an X/X Ooze creature, where X is the # of counters removed.
Quote from: 8/16
Rukh Egg | Roc Egg
3| 2 :air 
0/3
At the end of each turn, add a Genesis counter. At 3 counters, sacrifice and spawn a 7/7 Rukh | Roc creature with Nourish.
:life - Nourish -  Target card gains a Genesis counter.
Notes : Rukh | Roc is airborne and costs 7 :air.

We're now on Card 9, and accepting suggestions as always.
In addition to other suggestions, here's a few ideas we can discuss. Do they need further development, and how? Are there any potential balance issues?

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Gaian swarm.
4 :life/4 :life
(1/1) (2/1)
every turn, gain a Genesis counter, gain +0/+1 for every counter.
0:remove three Genesis counters, spawn a Gain swarm.

Quote from: 'Growth' Creature
Gaian Totem Gaurdian/ Gaian Ancestral
5 :earth/5 :earth
1 :earth, gain a Genesis counter, usable once a turn.
gain +1/+1 for every Genesis counter on it.
I figure the earth creature, can be something that becomes more dangerous as genesis counters are added, and be the 'generals/leaders' to the swarming ever spawning expendable life soldiers.
Basically, think of the gaurdians as the 'chieftains' while the swam represents the common soldier.

Quote from: Turning a Pillar into a Creature
Cthonic Spell- :fire
Reforge? (name will need work)
4 :fire/3 :fire
target pillar becomes a creature.
card-pillar golem
stats vary, generates 1 :underworld quanta, quanta determined by type of pillar targeted ( :gravity pillar=gravity creature, so on and so forth)

The idea here, is basically to take an ancient shrine and it's power, and somehow 'reforge' the whole thing into a golem soldier of some sort.
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Re: Community Card Design : Gaian vs Cthonic [Core Set Card 9 - Open to Suggestions] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45540.msg1045528#msg1045528
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2013, 07:06:35 pm »
for a week and a half, I logged into the sync.in site, at various times of day. not a single post, no discussion here, no back n forth. now suddenly two cards are just 'done' out of nowhere with no warning. this is broken. random people are just deciding what is a card and what isnt. Im done. There is no community here. Just some people arbitrarily deciding which is and isnt a card at their whim, at random times of their choosing. you have completely alienated me from the event. good luck.

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Re: Community Card Design : Gaian vs Cthonic [Core Set Card 9 - Open to Suggestions] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45540.msg1045561#msg1045561
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2013, 09:22:55 pm »
@Story-I think it's discussed in the chatroom or something? But the helter-skelterness is annoying.
Does anyone who knows what's up with this project/who's developing it know where the discussion is occurring?
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Re: Community Card Design : Gaian vs Cthonic [Core Set Card 9 - Open to Suggestions] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45540.msg1045670#msg1045670
« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2013, 03:56:20 am »
for a week and a half, I logged into the sync.in site, at various times of day. not a single post, no discussion here, no back n forth. now suddenly two cards are just 'done' out of nowhere with no warning. this is broken. random people are just deciding what is a card and what isnt. Im done. There is no community here. Just some people arbitrarily deciding which is and isnt a card at their whim, at random times of their choosing. you have completely alienated me from the event. good luck.
@Story-I think it's discussed in the chatroom or something? But the helter-skelterness is annoying.
Does anyone who knows what's up with this project/who's developing it know where the discussion is occurring?
Before I begin, I’d like to apologize to everyone involved in GvC for my impatience in finalizing 7/16 and 8/16. More people should’ve discussed these cards before they appeared in the actual OP.

To explain:

1) I was away for a while as I noted on my profile, which resulted in a lack of activity and a lack of communication.   

2) I found it was very difficult to invite people to the sync.in board because people were worried about being committed to working on the entire set of cards or just being annoyed by the whole 'series'/'faction' concept in general. So somewhere along the line, I began tossing little ‘snapshots’ of the card into chat without any mention of Gaian/Cthonic into chat, hoping I’d get more input. Snapshots turned into balance discussions and theme development, and soon I found that ETG chat users were a very reliable source of feedback. I decided to start having a ‘balanced’ mix of feedback, using the sync.in board and ETG chat as both feedback sources

3) This is where point 1) comes in. I’d been wanting to do something EtG related when I returned to the forums. The most readily available option, as I saw it, was to continue where we’d left off to Gaian vs. Cthonic, and I thought it’d be nice to just take some of the latest suggested designs on the thread and put them into chat. This was all well and good, but I was impatient and too willing to ‘run away’ with the considerably good designs chat users happened to make. (In hindsight Cards 7 and 8 needed at least a theme double check before they were posted).  As a result I finalized two cards without realizing I should’ve asked several more people (at the least, whoever had already been involved with Gaian vs. Cthonic), which has resulted in a few people being understandably angry.

4) As a result, cards 7/16 and 8/16 are NOT finalized, due to their questionable status of completion. I apologize to anyone I’ve offended and will avoid pushing ahead too quickly in the future. Suggestions on card 9/16 are still accepted but 7/16 and 8/16 will be undergoing a bit of review. Cards 7 and 8 are also now back up at http://sync.in/CIPGaianvsCthonic for discussion.

EDIT : After some changes and discussion, Ooze Pool and Roc Egg have been refinalized as cards #7 and #8. Card #9 is back under development at http://sync.in/CIPGaianvsCthonic .
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Re: Community Card Design : Gaian vs Cthonic [Core Set Card 11 - Submit your ideas!] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45540.msg1047531#msg1047531
« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2013, 10:04:43 pm »
If brought against each other in battle, you may notice similarities in their fight style. They may be even from the same family, possibly brothers.
I don't care about history when I'm facing one, though. - Gia, Forge Overseer


Cards #9 and #10 have been finalized.
Spoiler for The Wurms:
Quote from: 9/16 - Wurm Demolisher (Gaian)
Wurm Demolisher
5 | 4 :life
3 | 6
When played, starts with a Genesis counter.
1 Genesis Counter: Target permanent breaks and gains the skill 3 Other: Repair.

Quote from: 10/16 - Wurm Bomber (Cthonic)
Wurm Bomber
5 | 4 :earth
6 | 3
Enters play poisoned. When Wurm Bomber dies, destroy 2 random enemy permanents.
Notes: Since Cthonic is likely to be  throwing a lot of stat debuffs around on its own creatures and triggering off destroyed things chances are there will need to be 'fodder' for the debuffing and sacrificing. That's where cards like these come in, to be  beatsticks in some cases and sacrifice/debuff fodder for other Cthonic cards.

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Card 1/16, Gaian Fountain has been remade as well with a much more steamlined design:
Spoiler for New Gaian Fountain:
Quote from: 1/16- Gaian Fountain (Gaian)
Gaian Fountain
Permanent
4 | 3 :water
:water : If target creature has taken damage or has a status effect, it gains a positive status effect.
Notes: Positive Status Effects : Immaterial, Cloak, Purify, Momentum, Adrenaline, Wisdom, Evasive (SoF), Reflective (Jade Shield, Reflective Shield),   Burrowed, Stone Form, Lycanthropy
Having counters (E.g. Poison) on a creature is treated as a 'status effect'. For a faction that uses counters, this creates a lot of synergy.

Card 11/16 is being developed and open to suggestions. We're currenty looking into a 'sacrifice outlet' card for Cthonic that would help it trigger it's many 'on death/destruction' effect cards. For more information see http://sync.in/CIPGaianvsCthonic .

 

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