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Re: Tactics Set [Ambush & Spear Formation] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18059.msg231771#msg231771
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2010, 10:55:48 pm »
well, the traitor could also be a card that you play but appears on the opponent's field with ambush and antimatter

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Re: Ambush! Series https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18059.msg231814#msg231814
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2010, 12:14:49 am »
Wolf will be added as soon as I can differentiate it from Ninja.
Give wolf devour. Loses ambush passive upon use of devour.

Also, i think I heard somewhere that zanz doesn't like articles in card names. so "The Birds" might not work, although this needs confirmation.

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Re: Ambush! Series https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18059.msg231828#msg231828
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2010, 12:28:32 am »
Wolf will be added as soon as I can differentiate it from Ninja.
Give wolf devour. Loses ambush passive upon use of devour.

Also, i think I heard somewhere that zanz doesn't like articles in card names. so "The Birds" might not work, although this needs confirmation.
Not sure what you mean.
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Re: Ambush! Series https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18059.msg231835#msg231835
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2010, 12:32:16 am »
Wolf will be added as soon as I can differentiate it from Ninja.
Give wolf devour. Loses ambush passive upon use of devour.

Also, i think I heard somewhere that zanz doesn't like articles in card names. so "The Birds" might not work, although this needs confirmation.
Not sure what you mean.
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oh, and wolf isn't really an ambush predator when compared to say...a snake
As for water, many creatures ambush their prey
crocodiles (camouflage)
flounders (camouflage)
stonefish (camouflage)
octopi (can't use cuz there's already an octopus card)
sharks and barracudas (extremely fast, like how a wolf fits this mechanic)
piranhas (portrayed in popular culture as extremely dangerous in swarms, which fits the mechanic of more creatures, more damage)

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Re: Tactics Set [Ambush & Spear Formation] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18059.msg231849#msg231849
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2010, 12:45:06 am »
@Antimattered other side Traitor.
This would fit much better and even fits in the Introducing Ambush series

@Wolf with devour, lose ambush when devour is used.
This could work. (I would have to change the name to something that abandons the hunt when it catches something)
However losing Ambush is a pretty big deal considering in packs it can deal +2 damage on average easily.

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Re: Tactics Set [Ambush & Spear Formation] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18059.msg231858#msg231858
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2010, 01:00:23 am »
if you're using "swarm of birds", why not use "flock of birds" too? flock could be unupped and swarm could be upped, cuz i think flock sounds milder than swarm.

well, if a wolf is hunting something and catches it, why would it continue? isn't it full?
also, i think snakes do, and i imagine snakes emphasize the "devour" concept better (because some can unhinge its jaw and swallow its prey whole)

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Re: Tactics Set [Ambush & Spear Formation] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18059.msg231861#msg231861
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2010, 01:05:46 am »
Flock of birds is a good idea. I will be modifying and adding cards later today.

To clarify:
Ambush (name can change) mechanically represents the synergy of cooperation from multiple angles.
If a creature loses Ambush that means they stop cooperating even though the others keep "hunting".
(If wolf used devour it would most likely result in a -1|+1 net stat change or worse.)
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Re: Tactics Set [Ambush & Spear Formation] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18059.msg231986#msg231986
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2010, 04:10:35 am »
Well, you should make the ability to wipe a creature off the opponent's side of the field tantalizing enough (make the hp of the wolf/snake/crocodile high enough that it can be used in enough situations)

Would it be too complex if you make the wolf/snake/crocodile lose devour (along with ambush) upon use and give it extremely high hp (maybe 7?)

Would it be too complex if you don't give the wolf/snake/crocodile devour, but instead something like a zero-cost "bite" that makes it gain +1/+1 and makes the target lose 3 hp? Then, there would be spam-able cc, but with a heavy downside (ambush net damage decrease) Heck, you could make it one-time use (removed along with ambush upon use) and target loses 5 hp..

And I would love the idea of a fractalable(dirt-cheap) ambush creature with zero hp.. do piranhas become more threatening as their numbers increase? do they have a short lifespan?

Bringing me back to another point i've already mentioned, water has great possibilities of creatures with "ambush" characteristics.

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Re: Tactics Set [Ambush & Spear Formation] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18059.msg232040#msg232040
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2010, 05:41:18 am »
We need to find some good art. I am tied down with managing the mechanics. If anyone would lead the effort to find card art for these ideas that would be great.

Air: Name changed to Flock of Birds|Swarm of Birds
Darkness: Ability changed to 0:Target creature gains Ambush until the end of the turn.
Gravity: Graviton Captain|Graviton General added (Drobbit's idea)
Gravity: A mass Ambush spell was added (Drobbit's idea)
Death: Ghost Captain|Ghost General added (Joebob777's idea)

I did not add Wolf because it is probably too complicated for the community's tastes (I am already risking it with the additional possession mechanic)
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Re: Tactics Set [Ambush & Spear Formation] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18059.msg232055#msg232055
« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2010, 06:12:01 am »
We need to find some good art. I am tied down with managing the mechanics. If anyone would lead the effort to find card art for these ideas that would be great.

Air: Name changed to Flock of Birds|Swarm of Birds (http://wallpaper-s.org/90_~_Flock_of_Birds_Widescreen.htm)
Darkness: Ability changed to 0:Target creature gains Ambush until the end of the turn.
Gravity: Graviton Captain|Graviton General added (Drobbit's idea) (http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/english_literature/poetrytennyson/1tennyson_chargesubjectrev1.shtml)
Gravity: A mass Ambush spell was added (Drobbit's idea)
Death: Ghost Captain|Ghost General added (Joebob777's idea)

I did not add Wolf because it is probably too complicated for the community's tastes (I am already risking it with the additional possession mechanic)
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Re: Tactics Set [Ambush & Spear Formation] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18059.msg232057#msg232057
« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2010, 06:18:49 am »
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Re: Tactics Set [Ambush & Spear Formation] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18059.msg232077#msg232077
« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2010, 07:29:14 am »
Pardon, what was the idea behind the Gravity spell? Smart retreat? For art's sake.
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