Advanced Spells - Spells that consume all quanta of an element [COMPLETE]

[bojengles77]

Overdrive is updated. It is a LOT less overpowered now.

How was overdrive before, because I think it needs to increase its cost by 2x, since quantum towers put out more quanta, and this is non-specific quanta most likely used in a rainbow deck

[Tukkun]

False link to Overdrive card.

[Wynden]

In terms of overdrive, I think you need to set a limit to it for 2 reasons:
1. If someone had an incredible healing potential (6 SoGs, emphatic bond, etc), it allows the person to play too many high cost cards
2. Someone might play an advanced spell by accident, and cause an instant loss.
That, or we have a very obvious bug for the game.

[Bloodshadow]

False link to Overdrive card.

Link fixed. Thank you.

[twinsbuster]

I do not need more suggestions, because I have at least basic ideas of all 13 Advanced Spells. Check the first post.

I think some of your new card idea must have to modify,
as I can get some extremely evil deck build idea immediately after reading your first post.
You, the card author, should have think about that what nightmare will happen if I put all these cards into a deck.

Let's say...
first turn: nova> hyperdrive> play all your advance spell on hand (10 poison, lose 25% life,  four 3/3 mutants, fractal etc.)> with miracle at 2nd last (back to 99HP)> lastly play Tempus Fugit (draw 7 cards) > then again, play all your advance spell on hand...... > loop until you go through your deck
Well, you play all your cards in your deck at 1st turn and win

Remember, 1 nova can generate 12 quantum, so the cost of colorless card should be several times higher what it should be. (It is able to play a colorless card with 40 cost in the first two turns with supernova and quantum pillar)

[$$$man]

I do not need more suggestions, because I have at least basic ideas of all 13 Advanced Spells. Check the first post.

I think some of your new card idea must have to modify,
as I can get some extremely evil deck build idea immediately after reading your first post.
You, the card author, should have think about that what nightmare will happen if I put all these cards into a deck.

Let's say...
first turn: nova> hyperdrive> play all your advance spell on hand (10 poison, lose 25% life,  four 3/3 mutants, fractal etc.)> with miracle at 2nd last (back to 99HP)> lastly play Tempus Fugit (draw 7 cards) > then again, play all your advance spell on hand...... > loop until you go through your deck
Well, you play all your cards in your deck at 1st turn and win

Remember, 1 nova can generate 12 quantum, so the cost of colorless card should be several times higher what it should be. (It is able to play a colorless card with 40 cost in the first two turns with supernova and quantum pillar)

  U LOSE

[twinsbuster]

I do not need more suggestions, because I have at least basic ideas of all 13 Advanced Spells. Check the first post.

I think some of your new card idea must have to modify,
as I can get some extremely evil deck build idea immediately after reading your first post.
You, the card author, should have think about that what nightmare will happen if I put all these cards into a deck.

Let's say...
first turn: nova> hyperdrive> play all your advance spell on hand (10 poison, lose 25% life,  four 3/3 mutants, fractal etc.)> with miracle at 2nd last (back to 99HP)> lastly play Tempus Fugit (draw 7 cards) > then again, play all your advance spell on hand...... > loop until you go through your deck
Well, you play all your cards in your deck at 1st turn and win

Remember, 1 nova can generate 12 quantum, so the cost of colorless card should be several times higher what it should be. (It is able to play a colorless card with 40 cost in the first two turns with supernova and quantum pillar)

  U LOSE

I know what you are talking
the author said you will instantly die when use another advance spell
but according to the text, the advance spells only drain all quantum you left
so it should only affect the quantum in your possession by the meaning of the text
so if you don't want it happen the wordings have to be changed

[Bloodshadow]

You will have zero quanta after you use Overdrive. Therefore, anything you play will have to cost you HP. You play an Advanced Spell, all your HP are consumed. You die. I've made this perfectly clear in the Overdrive thread, so I don't see a need to clarify further.

[Ashebrethafe]

You will have zero quanta after you use Overdrive. Therefore, anything you play will have to cost you HP. You play an Advanced Spell, all your HP are consumed. You die. I've made this perfectly clear in the Overdrive thread, so I don't see a need to clarify further.

I read the Overdrive thread, and I still agree with twinsbuster and RavingRabbid -- either the mechanic or the card text needs to change. The wording of the Advanced Spells don't specify that consuming all quanta of a certain type is an additional cost, even if that's how you see it -- nor does Overdrive say that it considers it to be one.

Your intended behavior of these cards, as you've said, has the potential to immediately kill their users (and therefore is not such a minor matter as not knowing how much damage an Adrenalined creature will deal); it's clearly not obvious to forumgoers, and would probably be even less obvious to anyone who sees only the cards. So you can't expect people to infer that behavior from Singularity, on which it would otherwise be redundant (since consuming all your gravity quanta is part of its effect of consuming all of both players' quanta) -- especially if Singularity is going to be rare.

Also, I used to play Magic: the Gathering (as I suspect a lot of Elements players did). I see Overdrive as Channel (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=194967), or rather as Elements' version of a "fixed" Channel (it was OP at two mana) -- so I expect its behavior to mirror Channel's as closely as possible, allowing me to choose how much health I convert to quanta. (It can't produce "generic" quanta, as Channel does, since there's no such thing -- should it produce random quanta?) If I get 15 from Overdrive, Miracle should take only my , not any additional HP.

[Bloodshadow]

I will leave Overdrive as it is, because there is no room on the card to fit in more text. I know that I can use SG's templates if I needed more room, but for the Advanced Spells I want to make them look as realistic as possible.

After you use Overdrive, there can be a popup warning when you try to use another Advanced Spell. It could say "Warning: Using another Advanced Spell while under Overdrive will drain all your HP." And it could simply disallow you from using another Advanced Spell after using Overdrive.

Unlike you, I have not even seen a MtG card in real life, nor do I ever plan on playing MtG. Therefore, I intend to keep the card exactly as it is, instead of making it a cheap knockoff of MtG.

[Ashebrethafe]

I will leave Overdrive as it is, because there is no room on the card to fit in more text. I know that I can use SG's templates if I needed more room, but for the Advanced Spells I want to make them look as realistic as possible.

After you use Overdrive, there can be a popup warning when you try to use another Advanced Spell. It could say "Warning: Using another Advanced Spell while under Overdrive will drain all your HP." And it could simply disallow you from using another Advanced Spell after using Overdrive.

Unlike you, I have not even seen a MtG card in real life, nor do I ever plan on playing MtG. Therefore, I intend to keep the card exactly as it is, instead of making it a cheap knockoff of MtG.

I didn't really think the Channel-port was a good idea; I was just pointing out that (and a possible reason why) people seemed to be reading it that way (and thinking it made other Advanced Spells OP), so the wording needed to change to make its behavior clearer. If the interface changes to support it, then the card is fine. (I still can't accept the idea of these cards having an infinite cost, since a player always has a finite number of quanta and HP -- but I can accept them costing as much as the caster has).

I'd suggest that the text of the advanced spells be changed to "Pay all your <whatever> quanta to...". This would mirror the other card with an additional cost (Immolation's "Sacrifice a creature to generate 7 plus..."), while being shorter than the current "All your <whatever> quanta are consumed" -- which doesn't match Miracle or Fractal anyway. Overdriven Advanced Spells should have a warning, and should not be allowed until another card is introduced that allows a player to play them and survive. (I see Shard of Acumen as such a card -- with one of those on your field, playing an Advanced Spell under Overdrive would drain all but 1 HP. You could still heal to 99 HP with Miracle if you had enough HP to start with, but any other Advanced Spell would take your HP too low even to play Improved Miracle with 6 SoAs.)

[twinsbuster]

Apart from discussing the card idea, I concern if these cards will really come into game or not.
I appreciate if a series of cards being introduced for each new version as it saves some time for programming.