On farming Seism(Requesting Help from Scaredgirl)

[Evil Hamster]

this thread is starting to resemble a stalker forum, no wonder her name is scaredgirl.

Having only read the first page so far, I was thinking the same thing

[Evil Hamster]

 How critical are those thunderbolds to beating Seism?

Very non-critical. They only buy you time if you get them early.

So 2 twin universes and it will reliably beat miracle and seism. Probably fire queen and incarnate also. Would save a bunch of quitting games but the time would mean fewer chances to hunt seism.

[foyle]

Scaredgirl --
Since you admit that the lobotomizing ability is probably going to be of no/minimal use, why not use an upgraded Gavel instead of the Lobotomizer?  The Gavel will do 6 dmg per turn intstead of lobotomizers 5 (because you have Earth Mark).  It is also of course cheaper as well (2 random quanta) so you may be able to get it out a turn earlier in some cases.  Don't forget about those boring plain weapons!

[jmizzle7]

A minor setback to note is if you do run PU against Seism in lieu of a Thunderbolt or two, Seism will more than likely Rewind that creature the following turn. Having said that, just make sure it is a basalt dragon or shriek and you are fine, as your mark is earth anyway.

[Levgre]

a suggestion to improve that deck, scaredgirl...

Why not just use sundials to delay, instead of thunderbolts?  Killing one creature or stopping all creatures for 2 rounds, which is better?  Of course you don't do damage, but early on you probably wouldn't have many phase dragons out yet.

I do think rainbow decks could reach near 100%, if not your deck just with sundials, and perhaps splashing in some white to draw with them.

[Levgre]

Here's my early attempt at making an anti-seism deck.  The current big issue is, I don't have a squid in trainer, plus sundials don't work in trainer, so testing the deck against seism is tricky ;p I'm thinking a 2nd oty might be needed, maybe an FFQ, and hourglass.

So far it's 1 for 1, at least.



The idea is, you basically draw out your whole deck to get what you need.  There are 6 sundials to help you with that, plus either you get the otyugh, squid, or phase shield to help you in the meantime.  The killer is boneyard + druid + otyugh.

Eternity keeps you from decking out, along with the assistance of Seism's reverse times.

saving at least 6 of the 8 quantum towers should be enough to supply enough gravity and water quantum that you need.  All the other quantum actually 'can' be put to use, in my last game I recasted a crimson dragon and fallen druid that seism RT'd.

It's possible only 1 bonewall is actually needed, a phase shield may work better, or something else, or nothing.

[Levgre]

Well as far as i know none of all that variety of rainbow decks were specifically catered towards beating seism ;p  With drawing power a rainbow deck has the ability to get all the cards in the deck out and can certainly get a protect artifact, it can easily get the killing power vs. seism, all you need is a boneyard, and otyugh, and a fallen druid and you are basically set when you have quantum.

The question is how to defend... creatures such as an artic squid may play a role. 

Your deck probably does good enough for Uzra's purpose, though. 
The possible deaths I see are:

Not drawing enough towers
All the protect artifacts far down
Almost all of the dragons, or most of the phase shields, are near the bottom


Rainbow can get bad shuffles too, though. I suppose most anti-seism decks could come down to if it will draw a PA, and would probably only be able to be negligibly better... I may still try it.

[Scaredgirl]

Finally I lost one match. I decked out.

The deck had 30 cards, with 4 Protect Artifact. That means on average you should get one as your 7th or 8th card, right?

Well I did have any on my starting hand so I had to start either discarding or playing single Towers in hopes of Seism not destroying them. I kept drawing and drawing but that PA just didn't show up. I had to put Phase Shield up so that I wouldn't die and again I just kept drawing cards.

Finally when there were only 8 cards left in the deck, I managed to get one. Of course I had already lost the match because I couldn't do much damage in a couple of turns.

Unbeliavable. 4 Cards in a deck of 30 and ALL of them in bottom 8 cards.

Well I guess that happens sometimes. 12-1 record is still pretty good.

[Scaredgirl]

 How critical are those thunderbolds to beating Seism?

Very non-critical. They only buy you time if you get them early.

[Scaredgirl]

ehm... did you understand I accused you to have stole the idea of the horrible deck I posted before? it wasn't my intection

Nah.. I was just pointing out the differences between those 2 decks. But yeah I see why you would think that.

[Scaredgirl]

Scaredgirl --
Since you admit that the lobotomizing ability is probably going to be of no/minimal use, why not use an upgraded Gavel instead of the Lobotomizer?  The Gavel will do 6 dmg per turn intstead of lobotomizers 5 (because you have Earth Mark).  It is also of course cheaper as well (2 random quanta) so you may be able to get it out a turn earlier in some cases.  Don't forget about those boring plain weapons!

Yeah I forgot about them. Actually I didn't even know that upgraded hammer would do so much damage with mark of Earth. Yep, it's perfect for this deck. Best part is that it only costs 2 quantum and if I'm lucky, it might use 2 earth quantum which I don't need.

Very nice. Thanks for the idea. Good thing I didn't have time to change that picture yet.

[Scaredgirl]

a suggestion to improve that deck, scaredgirl...

Why not just use sundials to delay, instead of thunderbolts?  Killing one creature or stopping all creatures for 2 rounds, which is better?  Of course you don't do damage, but early on you probably wouldn't have many phase dragons out yet.

I do think rainbow decks could reach near 100%, if not your deck just with sundials, and perhaps splashing in some white to draw with them.

I didn't use Sundials for 2 reasons:
1. I didn't need them
2. They made the match last longer

I actually tried this with Sundials but didn't like it. I generally did much more damage to Seism early in the game when he didn't have his shield on. When I used Sundials, my characters wouldn't attack at it made grinding much slower.

I've fought Seism countless of times with all kinds of different rainbow decks. I don't think it's possible to build a rainbow deck that would be as FAST and RELIABLE as this Aether/Earth deck.