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Unupped Scorpio counter? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59718.msg1207416#msg1207416
« on: September 28, 2015, 06:09:08 am »
I imagine most decks in the business of countering Scorpio are all Water/Aether duos, but there has yet to be one unupped.

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Strategy
Play Mind Flayers very early. Assuming a two Pend draw (which is common), play a Mind Flayer over maybe an early Purify or whatever. You need at least one out early to keep the poison and CC under control.

Then save up for a Dim and then Purify as needed (although keep in mind that there are only six of them, and it's possible you might bottom deck a few). If you have enough for a Fractal (which is frustrating to get, since Pends and Dims tend to drain your Aether quanta in a way to keep it just below ten), go for either:
A) Mind Flayers if you haven't already gotten control of the board and need to desperately (i.e. stray Physalia everywhere)
B) Scorpio's Abyss Crawlers if you have all dangerous enemy creatures lobotomized and now need damage (by now you should probably have at least a SoP either on the field or in your hand)

And then wait for SoP to raise attack enough to kill quickly (at least a 3HKO without any shield, but try and go for around 150 damage if Scorpio has a Permafrost Shield up since it'll freeze a lot of your damage dealers).



I haven't tested nearly enough, but it seems to work well enough if it has a good draw.

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Re: Unupped Scorpio counter? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59718.msg1207425#msg1207425
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2015, 07:45:09 am »
4 fractals seems like too many, reduce to 3? And reduce pends to 15 to improve consistency? Bear in mind that I'm saying with no testing.

Deck looks good, though it might be harder for most people to get SoP rather than upgrades.
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Re: Unupped Scorpio counter? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59718.msg1207448#msg1207448
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2015, 09:48:44 am »
My experience with the deck:
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You deck have 1 problem is, the chance to draw Mind Flayer in early turns.
As my calculate, the chance to get Mind Flayer in first hand (7 cards) is about 53%, the chance to get it in first 3 turns (10 cards) is 65%.
But with the mulligan(redraw when there is no 0 cost card in hand), the chance is lower(i'm to lazy to calculate it exactly.
Assuming that we can will everytime we have a quick Mind Flayer, the chance is quite good but in fact there are more problems, the god is supper fast and he may have Congeal, Arctic Octopus or Ulitharid faster than you.
Put the calculate aside and come to reallity:
I've test it 7 times and 2 times i have Mind Flayers in first hand, 2 times in first 3 turn(not in first hand) which i think is very early. So it is about 50%.  (Sadly no win because of the god good draw.)
2 of 4 battles that i have fast Mind Flayers, I get stuned by Congeal or he have Arctic Octopus out already.(1st turn Octopus).
1 times he have Ulitharid before my Mind Flayers.(2nd turn Ulitharid).
And 1 times, I'm overwhelmed by his creature after about 8 turns.(don't have enough Dimmensional Shield)
At the moment, the deck require good draw and Scorpio shoudn't have fast CC(which he have 14) or fast Arctic Dragon(which he have 2 more).
Which mean the chance to win is quite low to be a counter deck.

What can be improved:
-Less card:
+Scorpio have Arctic Dragonx2, Abyss Clawlerx6 which can deal good dame and more 3 dame units, so even when you Lobomize them all, they have a good dame and 12 heal/turn at most can't save you when you don't have Dimensional Shield in late turn. The Twin Universe also help you die faster.   ::)

-Less Fractal:
+4 Fractal isn't that necessary, as when i test your deck, i ussually get 2 of them in my hand, but no chance to play them as they are expensive card and the god put me in defensive situation, even when you have a chance to play them, you don't have enough  :water to play so many creature. Maybe Parralel Universal is better choice as you already have SoP to deal dame to him. (Parralel Ulritharid and Lobomize it the same time, or Parralel the fast Arctic Ortopus and freeze it before your first Mind Flayer may change the hopeless situation.)

-As the result of less Fractal, less Pend:
+Same reason with "Less card"

-Flay them or Lobomize them?
+As we don't use Fractal and use Parallel Universal in the deck, so many Watter Pend is not neccesary any more but Aether Pillars is, when more  :aether is required than  :water, why don't we change mard to  :water and use  :aether Pillars and some  :aether Pendulum instead?
+What about the Mind Flayers? Why don't we use Lobomize to replace them as Scorpio don't have Permanent Control, but tons of Creature Control? I think if some one have 3 SoP, at least 70% chance that they have 2-3 Lobomize. :D (I have 6 Lobomize but only 1 SoP :( )

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Re: Unupped Scorpio counter? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59718.msg1207514#msg1207514
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2015, 09:52:18 pm »
Lobotomizer is not an option unfortunately. 1.) 1 Lobo can't control a massive amount of Phys. 2.) Lobo takes up much needed quanta when you place it. Packing 6 flayers guarantees at least one early one, and you're not going to pack 6 Lobos.
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Re: Unupped Scorpio counter? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59718.msg1207606#msg1207606
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2015, 04:30:16 pm »
@AD TienzuStorm:
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The change below is just what i think, maybe they are not the right choice as you have to test it yourselves.
I've tried them and they get better chance for a fast Mind Flayers. I haven't tried a full match with god yet because it will take time, maybe i will try it later.
1 more suggestion is, you should show a statistic of your Winrate, EM... of your deck vs the god.
The deck look promising, and unlike my deck for Scorpio, it look less stressful (more Purify), and easier to use (don't require practice and timing play).

@RulacMage11:
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I see the problem. But the god have too many CC, which make 1 MF is still a scary situation, what do you think about 4 MF and 2 Lobo. :)

Sorry, I've just realised that PUed units can't use skill the same turn as they come, so Parallel Universe isn't really good card as I though, maybe Quintessence to protect our the Mind Flayers or keep the Fractal to get to high dame faster can be better. After I use simulator to test, the deck work best when I change it to this (which is about 28% and 10% EM, but the simulator don't know how to use Fractal and others skill right, so I believe that win rate is in fact higher):
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I hope the deck will be improved more to become a real counter to the god, as I hate the idea that, this god have no unuped counter. That is unfair for the other gods.  :(
« Last Edit: September 29, 2015, 07:47:52 pm by nthieu1995 »

 

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