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Non-uped vs Scorpio (about 50% win rate, still need help to improve) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59702.msg1207232#msg1207232
« on: September 26, 2015, 08:07:55 pm »
Main problem:
Find out the best unupped deck for Scorpio. If you have one, please post the deck below.

The Deck:
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5ia 5ia 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61u 61u 622 623 623 623 623 8pp

-Win/Lose: 6/6 (+0/+1)
-Win/Lose (simulator):
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This is the statistic use simulator to calculate, which mean the game will play any card that it can play and don't use any special strategy, no timing play, but also no misclick:
+Play: 1000
+Win: 207 (about 20%)
+Lose: 793 (about 80%)
+Element Master: 81 (about 8%)

Can we believe the similator?
+Yes, as this is a deck that require timing play, if you just play any card that come up, the result will be really bad. Are you really want 20% win rate and 8% EM instead of 40-50% winrate?

Where can you find the simulator?
I've just found it today in the forum.
elementscommunity.org/tools/xenocidius/simulator/

- Cost: 2 Lobotomizers+738 Coins.

- What can we change:
+You can add 1 or 2 Purify to the deck, remove the Aether Pillar, so you can use them more often, but that mean you have less :aether to Lobomize, play Mindgate early and Fractal. (Haven't tested.)

- How to play:
+What to draw from the god?(You will know the card you can draw this turn after use Mindgate 1 times):
.Ulitharid: Cheap, able to deal 1 dame to the god, his skill is cheaper than Lobimizers, which mean you can save your  :aether for something else.
.Purify: Don't really need to explain, already get 1, get 3 more. :D
.Abyss Clawler, Arctic Dragon, Puffer Fish: Good dame dealer.
.Arctic Octopus: If Lobotomize isn't enough, freeze them.
.Ice Lance: Why not take some more dame dealler when we aren't in dangerous.
.Congeal: Same reason as Arctic Octopus.
.Twin Universer: Get some more Dragon.  ;D
.Tower: Tower is always better than Pillar as i remember.

+What can be use in some situation? What can be good but no need to draw more?:
.Perma Frost: You can only play one shield at a time, this is really good when your Dim Shield chain is broken, but do you think your chain will be broken twice?
.Poseidon: You have too much Aether quanta, no Lobomizer, why don't take 1 to deal 4 dame each turn? But remember, only 1.
.Physalia: This is so dangerous as the God play it, why don't we get more? No, we can't play it like the god with out. :death  ::) But in early game, it can absorb few spell and deal some dame if the god don't have Pema Frost.

+What is totally useless?:
.Deally Poison, Arsenic: This will fill your hand, reduce the effect of Fractal and Mindgate and worse, there is no way to get rid of them, if you get 6 of them in your hand, it is a really bad day. :P Lukily, the god have only 12 of them, so unless you want more of them to decorate your hand, your hand won't be filled with these useless cards.

+What to Lobomize:
.Physalia>Ulitharid=Arctic Octopus(Depend on situation, you can compare the dangerous of Octopus and Ulitharid and decide which should be lobomized)>Puffer Fish(they can't pass the shield unless the chain is broken, but when it is broken and Puffer Fish is not lobomized, it is another bad dream. :P

+Set up turn:
.Play all pillars.
.Get Lobotomizers as quick as possible, and lobimize Physalia when you don't need :aether to use Mind Gate.(Some time you don't have it).
.Play Mindgate and copy as much enemy cards as you can.
.Keep Purify. (Some time you get 5 Poison in these turn, don't be panic as you need Purify later and these poison are not so dangerous as you think, but 8-10 Poison is a bigger problem.)
.Keep Dimension: Your heath may reduce dramaticaly, God deal 30 dame per turns, don't worry because when you start chain Shield, you won't be hurt anymore, exception for the Deally Poison and Physalia(that is why you want to Lobomize them first.)

+Chain Shield turn(18-20 cards left, depend on situation)
.Start chain Dimension Shield, when the Shield reach 0, you need the new one.
.Play the first Purify when the god have atmost 2 active Physalia or when the poison go to high and you are dying.
.Look at your :aether and don't overuse them as you need them for the next Dimension Shield.
.Fractal on the Arctic Dragon or Puffer Fish when you have many space in your hand for new units, but only after you get a new shield and don't need  :aether for that turn anymore. (Because it reduce your :aether to 0)- Both time i win i use Fractal when i have 10 cards left, and there was no Dragon for me. :(
.Play the 2nd Purify when your hp drop below 30 and you have 5 poison or if you are posoned and have about 10 hps left.

+When chain shield is broken: Play Perma Frost if you have, and freeze any dangerous creature.

-Pros:  :)
+Funny deck to play, as you play the same card as the god, he have 200 hps and  :death, but don't worry as you have Dim Shields.
+Unuped and only 2 rare.
+Dimension Shield and Aether Tower. Don't everyone have it?
+No Shards, which is harder to get than weapons.

-Cons:  :'(
+Hard to play, require practice, and you have to find out, when to play Purify yourself, as situations are not always the same.
+Expensive compare to unuped deck(almost 800 coins.)
+Win rate is not as high as False God counter, and depend not only on your luck but also on Scorpio's.
+Still need more test.

Upgraded Version:
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7gq 7gq 7gq 7gq 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80e 80e 80i 80j 80j 80j 80j 8pp

-Didn't it have worse chance to win than the one in the wiki?
+Yes, but it is for some one who don't have 3xSoFo like me.  ;)

-Why it have 4x Purify?
+The Purify is 2 times cheaper, that mean the cost to use 4x Purify is 4, same as cost to use 2x Unupgraded version of the card.

-Why the number of Pillars reduce by 2?
+Towers can do their job better than Pillars.

-What to upgrade first?
+Get Tower first because it don't change the deck, or get 4x Upgraded Purify first as it will make the deck easier to play.
+After that, Electrocutor will be great card to get as it save you 1 :aether many times.
+Upgraded Mind Gate and Phase Shield will save you 10 :aether in total.
+Upgraded Fractal isn't really important to get, but if you have many  :electrum, why don't you upgrade it?

-What can we change? These change list haven't been tested:
+Use 6 Purifys and only 11 Towers.
+Use 3 Electrocutors and 12 Towers.
+Use 5-6 Mindgates instead of 4 (may replace 1 Purify, 1 Tower or 2 Towers).
+Use 2 Fractals instead of 1, (may replace Purify or Tower).

The Story:
Scorpio is one of the god which don't have any non-upped counter yet, so i try to find out a counter deck with out upped card and as less rare card as possible to deal with him.
After read his deck, i'm thinking about use his card against him, remember my old Mindgate+Dimmensional Shield focused deck, which i build just for fun, I improve it with some Time Tower and Erternity.
After few more try, I got a good win with this deck. (not recommend to use it unless you can improve it, the reason come later).
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vg 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52r 5c6 5c6 5f8 5ia 5ia 5ia 5ia 5ia 5ia 5ro 61o 61o 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61u 61u 623 623 623 623 8pu
After 3 more try, I don't get any win and all of them are hopeless battle, so i realise that the God have super bad draw that time, so I think about reduce the number of the cards in my deck.
But it is quite hard since the deck require Purify, Mind Gate, Dimmension Shield and some thing to kill or disable enemy creauture, even when i choose Lobotomizer, the deck still require 2 elements to run.
As i think the God have 12 Purify I decide not to use Purify as it reduce my deck to a Mono deck and I only have to use 30 cards, i got this deck:
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61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61u 61u 623 623 623 623 8pu
With it, the god is unbeatable as i get killed by his poison slowly and painfully over and over. And even when i draw his Purify from the Mindgate, i don't have any Quanta to use them and the Aether Quanta is always 75 in the end of the game.
So i make it a duo-deck again, but this time with out pillar:
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5ia 5ia 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61u 61u 623 623 623 623 8pp
I got 1 wins and 3 lose, and 2 of my 3 lose is because i have no card left while the boss have under 50 hps and is dying. Add Eternity to it is a bad call, as if i do it, the deck with be slower and I will die before the "Dimensional Shield chain". So i was thinking about improve my dame as both of my Water and Aether quanta are high at the end.
So I add a Fractal to it and got this deck.
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5ia 5ia 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61u 61u 622 623 623 623 623 8pp
After 3 try, i got 2 wins and 1 lose, but no matter I or the God is winner, the survivor only have about 20 hps left.
I know the deck is not really good and need to be improved, so do my English.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2015, 12:18:28 pm by nthieu1995 »

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Re: Non-uped vs Scorpio (about 40% win rate, still need help to improve) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59702.msg1207233#msg1207233
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2015, 08:08:55 pm »
This is a place holder for deck for other decks.

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Re: Non-uped vs Scorpio (about 40% win rate, still need help to improve) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59702.msg1207235#msg1207235
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2015, 08:25:47 pm »
Even the best fully upgraded deck I found against Scorpio went 14-4 against him so far. I imagine that the best unupgraded deck would necessarily go worse. :/
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Re: Non-uped vs Scorpio (about 40% win rate, still need help to improve) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59702.msg1207238#msg1207238
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2015, 09:29:24 pm »
Is that fully upgraded deck the one on wiki? I've checked it again. It seem the main idea against Scorpio is always Mark of Water+ Purify and Dim Shields.  ::)

 

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