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Re: Science Of ETG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25692.msg327538#msg327538
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2011, 03:27:06 pm »
ET, I already created a thread similar to this, you should look first, despite the fact that mine was more based on classification, it also became a study of what the elemetnts were, such as what I assume this thread is meant to be.
But anyway, I hope My thread link helps with the science study.
If anyone needs answers on classification of elements, or what are the elements ( :entropy:aether and  :gravity are most unknown to new players/members)
search in here: Elements Study (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20457.msg279185#msg279185)
Or if they want to add to a particular statement from that provided link, place the quoted statement from the thread of the provided link and your addition/speculation in this thread.

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Re: Science Of ETG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25692.msg328132#msg328132
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2011, 03:53:18 am »
I am going to take the time and study as much as I can on the Science of Each Element.
 :aetherAether will be first.
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Re: Science Of ETG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25692.msg328148#msg328148
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2011, 04:42:16 am »
Hmm, the "entropy" you have linked is the thermodynamics link of entropy, however, relating to ETG, the idea of entropy seems to be randomness, etc...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)

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Re: Science Of ETG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25692.msg328166#msg328166
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2011, 05:32:00 am »
Hmm, the "entropy" you have linked is the thermodynamics link of entropy, however, relating to ETG, the idea of entropy seems to be randomness, etc...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
Zanz has confirmed that the thermodynamic meaning of entropy is the accurate description. Gravity can make things thermodynamically Ordered and Entropy can make them thermodynamically Disordered.
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Re: Science Of ETG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25692.msg328172#msg328172
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2011, 05:53:12 am »
Hmm, the "entropy" you have linked is the thermodynamics link of entropy, however, relating to ETG, the idea of entropy seems to be randomness, etc...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
Zanz has confirmed that the thermodynamic meaning of entropy is the accurate description. Gravity can make things thermodynamically Ordered and Entropy can make them thermodynamically Disordered.
It's all very metaphysical, isn't it? But this does give ET a place to start his research. Of course, now I do understand what you mean:
Maxwell's Demon: A paradox about a system where entropy can be reduced, which contradicts the second law of thermodynamics (although I don't understand what that has to do with high attack)
Dissipation Shield: Dissipates the built up entropy (heat).

Still in discussions people refer to entropy as the element of chaos, which fits the "information theory" entry (mutation/chaos seed/pandemonium)

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Re: Science Of ETG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25692.msg328176#msg328176
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2011, 06:16:22 am »
Hmm, the "entropy" you have linked is the thermodynamics link of entropy, however, relating to ETG, the idea of entropy seems to be randomness, etc...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
Zanz has confirmed that the thermodynamic meaning of entropy is the accurate description. Gravity can make things thermodynamically Ordered and Entropy can make them thermodynamically Disordered.
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Re: Science Of ETG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25692.msg328177#msg328177
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2011, 06:27:12 am »
Hmm, the "entropy" you have linked is the thermodynamics link of entropy, however, relating to ETG, the idea of entropy seems to be randomness, etc...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
Zanz has confirmed that the thermodynamic meaning of entropy is the accurate description. Gravity can make things thermodynamically Ordered and Entropy can make them thermodynamically Disordered.
It's all very metaphysical, isn't it? But this does give ET a place to start his research. Of course, now I do understand what you mean:
Maxwell's Demon: A paradox about a system where entropy can be reduced, which contradicts the second law of thermodynamics (although I don't understand what that has to do with high attack)
Dissipation Shield: Dissipates the built up entropy (heat).

Still in discussions people refer to entropy as the element of chaos, which fits the "information theory" entry (mutation/chaos seed/pandemonium)
when information entropy and thermo entropy correlate people have drawn inaccurate causalities. I have not succeeded in teaching the all community this yet.
Suffice to say: If it is random it might belong in entropy however Entropy is not just randomness as seen with Nova or heatdeath.

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The verisimilitude of ETG and realism do not match on a vast majority of this subject.
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Re: Science Of ETG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25692.msg328201#msg328201
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2011, 08:09:06 am »
Hmm, the "entropy" you have linked is the thermodynamics link of entropy, however, relating to ETG, the idea of entropy seems to be randomness, etc...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
Zanz has confirmed that the thermodynamic meaning of entropy is the accurate description. Gravity can make things thermodynamically Ordered and Entropy can make them thermodynamically Disordered.
It's all very metaphysical, isn't it? But this does give ET a place to start his research. Of course, now I do understand what you mean:
Maxwell's Demon: A paradox about a system where entropy can be reduced, which contradicts the second law of thermodynamics (although I don't understand what that has to do with high attack)
Dissipation Shield: Dissipates the built up entropy (heat).

Still in discussions people refer to entropy as the element of chaos, which fits the "information theory" entry (mutation/chaos seed/pandemonium)
ohh did i hear someone call a Chemical engineer? no? no? damn.

heat is enthalpy =/= entropy

second law refers to the ∆s universe >0
in a system it is possible to have a gain in system entropy as long as the change in gibbs free energy is negative. which technically isnt a paradox.

and the way to relate thermodynamic entropy in layman's terms is disorder or randomness. the more spread out = greater entropy.

and to dissipate is to spread out or scatter

everything makes sense from a thermodynamic point of view
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Re: Science Of ETG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25692.msg328275#msg328275
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2011, 01:33:39 pm »
Does studying the Science behind the game help us better understand it?
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Re: Science Of ETG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25692.msg328281#msg328281
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2011, 01:37:18 pm »
Does studying the Science behind the game help us better understand it?
As you are using the phrase 'science being the game':
Only when reality and fiction agree. (Entropy is the only example I can think of with sufficient correlation)
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Re: Science Of ETG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25692.msg328301#msg328301
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2011, 02:30:48 pm »
From what I read about Aether it has connections with Light, Gravity and perhaps a couple others.
The information found here is interesting. http://www.aetherometry.com/

The isn't much Science on Darkness, but I did find this: http://www.muskokaheritage.org/ecology-night/scotobiology-article.asp

We may need to create our own science behind each element in the game, but at the same time keep some aspect of the REAL world science.
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