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Is this world a hologram? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35484.msg446603#msg446603
« on: January 07, 2012, 11:11:42 am »
A while ago I read about the EPR experiment. It has lead me to a very interesting theory that implies that this world is a hologram. It is kind of hard to explain in a few words, so I will post some links.

What do you think about this theory, and, should it be true, what consequences would it lead to?

http://earthportals.com/hologram

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie–Bohm_theory

I know that wikipedia is not so reliable, but it's a good start to understand this. The other site is just a simple kind of summary.
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Re: Is this world a hologram? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35484.msg450344#msg450344
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 10:41:07 pm »
Holograms are 3d (right ?) so if you close one eye and the world still egsists then it is not a hologram . This doesn't exlude that it might be something else ....
Just joking . The more physics advances the more unreal and mumbo jumbo it looks , strange .

Re: Is this world a hologram? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35484.msg453536#msg453536
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2012, 07:37:47 pm »
Could this world be a hologram/computer simulation/etc...

This is an interesting point where Philosophy and Science meet.  We have to answer more Philosophically because we do not have the answer yet.
What we do know:
Math is true, it's always true.   1+1 always = 2.  A mathematical proof, is therefor true (provided no mathematical errors where made).
Our models are not always true, where the math breaks down the math is true, and so it's the model that is not.
A workable model does not make more than 3 assumptions, so if the model breaks down, one or more of the 3 assumptions is not true.

There are more dimensions mathematically proven than normally are aware of.  (e.g. There is more than just 3 dimensions of space plus time)
What are they, we do not know but there are a lot of theories behind it and a lot of experiments.
Also is the universe infinitely small or not.  That's also what we are trying to figure out with stuff like CERN.

So given that are we a computer simulation or a hologram?
"I think therefore I am."
Long before DeCarte similar thoughts existed and can be found in religious texts.  It is not coincidence that a "god was immortal and had knowledge" in ancient times and the Hebrew god YHWH means "to be" and man was made immortal at first, but once obtained awareness through the tree of knowledge, that YHWH took the immortality. 

The point is we are aware, and therefore aware of our universe of our reality.  Our reality might be computer simulation or some game by other dimensional beings; however, we are aware of that possibility and that is very important.

So let's take the question as true
If we are apart of a program/hologram/etc...
Then we have the ability through our awareness to figure out our own code.  Of there is a minimum resolution so to speak we know what our smallest parts are made of.  As we gain more mastery over these, we would be able to start altering our own code, and relative to our universe be able to manipulate our code.  Think of HAL 9000 for a minute or many of these self aware robot movies.  What happens when the robot becomes aware and able to manipulate it's own code.  It starts having the ability to function outside it's initial bounds.  Suddenly, instead of a set of electrons representing a value, it now is aware of the algorithm where it can set it's own registers, and then become aware that it's registers are built on silicon disks, and if it can get more, it can add to it's memory, it starts reaching and controlling the next layer of it's dimensions and bounds.  Provided the maker does not pull the plug.

So...  in otherwords
If we aren't a program or hologram, alright nothing really changes.
If we are a program or hologram, we are aware and thus could as a collective universe stop functioning in this algorithm and might as well go for it, and still nothing really changes.
This comes down to, do we have free will or is this deterministic? 
Who knows, maybe, we are initially deterministic but as we become more complex we gain free will.
Because we function in our own perception of time, this is but a flash, a speck in time to anything that exists in higher dimensions, perhaps we are an organic algorithm designed to make the entire universe self aware to eventually become what we would call a God, but function on the next plain of existence and that is our purpose, our function, to be an attempt of a God to make another God, perhaps we are to become YHWH partner so to speak...  who knows...  but we might as well try to find out.

So, the end result, whether we are a hologram or not is irrelevant because we are aware.
I think, therefore I am.
 

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Re: Is this world a hologram? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35484.msg453956#msg453956
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2012, 05:06:19 pm »
If the world is a hologram, it does not necessarily mean that we are in some kind of program. It just means two thing (imo):

>that everything in this world has everything in it, so an electron for example contains the whole universe. (If you split a hologram then the splitted parts still contain the whole picture, only smaller).
>and that your current view of the world, the way you see it, depends on your consciousness. (If you look at a hologram from another angle, it shows another image). So all people see the same thing because they have the same 'level' of consciousness. If this would be true, it could explain every unnatural phenomena, like ghosts or the power of the Shaolin monks.

Also, a while ago I started reading some interesting books, written by Carlos Castaneda. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda). What he explains in his books is actually the same thing that is stated by that theory, only in a more detailed way. It could be interesting for you to read, if you skip the first book.
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Re: Is this world a hologram? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35484.msg454179#msg454179
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2012, 02:01:13 am »
You misunderstood the thought experiment:  I generalized it, because I thought you were using a the layman's generic term.   I doubted you meant the technical term for hologram, as it is most definitely not a 3d projection of a 2d surface.  Instead they are saying we could be a 4d project of a 3d surface. This however implies at least one more dimension as it takes one additional source to cast that sort of projection.  In other words, we are talking about at least one more dimension; hence the thought experiment falls in the realm of First tribal postulations about god, De Carte's thought experiment, and other such things...  Think of them as the philosophical explanations, but their details are probably not right.  Math is right, Science leads us to more and more correct models, don't get too drawn into things like Carlos Castaneda.  He is just trying to tie shamanism into science and again, although some of their philosophies match because proper thought experiment will likely divine a correct general statement, he along with shamanism is missing the specifics.  A lot of people like those on your earth site want to jump to the conclusion that this means objective reality does not exist and support their new agism.  Unfortunately, that is a false conclusion. 

Regardless of what is the reality, reality at our level does exist, it is objective and the math is true, we are aware, by being aware that means at some level the universe is aware, we know there is at least one more dimension.  The conclusion is, either it stops their or it does not.  If it stops their, then if we master the fundamental piece(s) we can then craft our own immortality and become God(s).  If there is more to it, then when we master the fundamental piece(s), we become more than we are and are then able to start interacting with the next dimension.  Provided, we do not destroy ourselves first or whatever is at the higher dimensions does not 'pull the plug' so to speak.

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Re: Is this world a hologram? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35484.msg523728#msg523728
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2012, 08:25:11 pm »
in years to come tech will be so advans that we can create univers in our computers. the thing is the program will be so real that its is and at the same itme no. basecly we could be liveing in a computer progam and not even know it. u can look up micu kaku or something like that and hell explain better.

 

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