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Re: a solution to the time travel paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26920.msg528433#msg528433
« Reply #60 on: August 03, 2012, 06:05:32 am »
Well, to me, time is a pendulum, hanging in stasis. It swings once, and then when it swings back, everything is undone. But for each swing of the pendulum, time changes slightly. This means that all time has existed before and after. So, theoretically, if you time travel, you just travel to another of the pendulum lifestyles and experience it there. Meanwhile, another version of you is created, the pendulum stops to fix things, and then continues on.
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Re: a solution to the time travel paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26920.msg528434#msg528434
« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2012, 06:07:29 am »
Well, to me, time is a pendulum, hanging in stasis. It swings once, and then when it swings back, everything is undone. But for each swing of the pendulum, time changes slightly. This means that all time has existed before and after. So, theoretically, if you time travel, you just travel to another of the pendulum lifestyles and experience it there. Meanwhile, another version of you is created, the pendulum stops to fix things, and then continues on.

Is there any reason or logic behind this?  Or is it just something you made up?

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Re: a solution to the time travel paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26920.msg528440#msg528440
« Reply #62 on: August 03, 2012, 06:26:33 am »
There is a famous theory known as the "Many Worlds Theory"

It leads to the theory of multiverses, that the universe, infact is a fraction of the multiverse, where many universes interact with each other.

So supposed you really had committed "magna matercide" (killing your grandmother), there will be one universe where you had killed your grandmother and you weren't born, and there will be another universe where you DID NOT kill her grandmother. So as a result, in this universe, you ceased to exist, but in the other universe, you are still what you are today.
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Re: a solution to the time travel paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26920.msg528443#msg528443
« Reply #63 on: August 03, 2012, 06:31:40 am »
There is a famous theory known as the "Many Worlds Theory"

It leads to the theory of multiverses, that the universe, infact is a fraction of the multiverse, where many universes interact with each other.

So supposed you really had committed "magna matercide" (killing your grandmother), there will be one universe where you had killed your grandmother and you weren't born, and there will be another universe where you DID NOT kill her grandmother. So as a result, in this universe, you ceased to exist, but in the other universe, you are still what you are today.
I fail to see how pre birth magna matercide would work in that model. A non existing being cannot do anything.
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Re: a solution to the time travel paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26920.msg528445#msg528445
« Reply #64 on: August 03, 2012, 06:44:54 am »
Alright, the thing is this. According to the many worlds theory, through our actions, we will create an alternate universe.
"To be or not to be" the saying goes. Whenever an action is committed, there will be a 'split' and two new worlds will be made, one that does this action and the other that does that action.
So in this case, two worlds will be made, one which commits magna matercide, and the other that does not. So in one universe, the killer ceases to exist, whereas in the other world, they will remain intact.

I know this is very hypothetical and  :aether like, but, remember, this is just a theory.
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Re: a solution to the time travel paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26920.msg528452#msg528452
« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2012, 07:02:58 am »
Alright, the thing is this. According to the many worlds theory, through our actions, we will create an alternate universe.
"To be or not to be" the saying goes. Whenever an action is committed, there will be a 'split' and two new worlds will be made, one that does this action and the other that does that action.
So in this case, two worlds will be made, one which commits magna matercide, and the other that does not. So in one universe, the killer ceases to exist, whereas in the other world, they will remain intact.

I know this is very hypothetical and  :aether like, but, remember, this is just a theory.

1) You have not stated how time travel would work. You have merely stated the consequences of any decision. (all possible outcomes)
2) In universe B (dead grandma) you would not exist and thus magna matricide is not a possibility. So a universe where a nonexistant you preformed magna matricide would not result from a choice in universe A(parent of B and C).
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Re: a solution to the time travel paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26920.msg528458#msg528458
« Reply #66 on: August 03, 2012, 07:31:10 am »
Alright, how to time travel. One thing is to travel through a wormhole. This is because travelling through one leads to travelling at speeds faster than the speed of light. Travelling faster than the speed of light requires unfathomable amounts of energy. This creates hypothetical particles known as tachyons which is the time carrier particle, hence allowing us to time travel. However, our knowledge towards time travelling is very primitive, and it is likely that it would take centuries for us to harness it.
As for magna matricidium (sorry, forgot latin diclension for a moment) and the Many Worlds Theory, it is really hard to explain to you. You might want to search it up.
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Re: a solution to the time travel paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26920.msg528461#msg528461
« Reply #67 on: August 03, 2012, 07:55:32 am »
Well, to me, time is a pendulum, hanging in stasis. It swings once, and then when it swings back, everything is undone. But for each swing of the pendulum, time changes slightly. This means that all time has existed before and after. So, theoretically, if you time travel, you just travel to another of the pendulum lifestyles and experience it there. Meanwhile, another version of you is created, the pendulum stops to fix things, and then continues on.

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Re: a solution to the time travel paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26920.msg528473#msg528473
« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2012, 08:43:23 am »
Alright, how to time travel. One thing is to travel through a wormhole. This is because travelling through one leads to travelling at speeds faster than the speed of light. Travelling faster than the speed of light requires unfathomable amounts of energy. This creates hypothetical particles known as tachyons which is the time carrier particle, hence allowing us to time travel. However, our knowledge towards time travelling is very primitive, and it is likely that it would take centuries for us to harness it.
As for magna matricidium (sorry, forgot latin diclension for a moment) and the Many Worlds Theory, it is really hard to explain to you. You might want to search it up.
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I meant the (universe splits for each choice) theory does not explain or even include a theory of timetravel. What I mean by a theory of timetravel is the series of causeal events that creates the outcome from an input of a temporal event.

Ex of causeal chain:
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Bob starts to exist in universe A 1985.
Bob time travels from universe A 2012 to universe A 1980.
Bob kill his parents (Mary and John).
Bob never starts to exist in the universe with a dead Mary and John.
Nobody travels from 2012 to 1980 in the universe with a dead Mary and John.
Nobody kills Mary and John
Bob starts to exist in 1985 in the universe with living Mary and John.
Bob time travels from 2012 to 1980 in the universe with living Mary and John.
...

If universe A is universe B is universe C then Bob, Mary and John are neither alive nor dead for either input causes the other output.

What is the causal chain that you are talking about? What happens when you continue the pattern?
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Re: a solution to the time travel paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26920.msg528481#msg528481
« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2012, 09:19:54 am »
Alright, I admit this is a bit unrelated. There is no time travel theory behind this, but it explains what happens 'si occidere avia ante vos esse' (If you kill your grandmother before you exist). If you kill your grandmother, two worlds would be made, with one, genuinely killing your grandmother (universe A), and the other one not killing (Universe B). So the person will cease to exist in Universe A, but will exist in Universe B. Does this answer your question? (BTW, I'm sorry if this is a bit annoying, but it is part of the quantum theory, and as quantum physicists say, if you don't find it crazy, you probably don't understand it.)
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Re: a solution to the time travel paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26920.msg528483#msg528483
« Reply #70 on: August 03, 2012, 09:26:25 am »
Alright, I admit this is a bit unrelated. There is no time travel theory behind this, but it explains what happens 'si occidere avia ante vos esse' (If you kill your grandmother before you exist). If you kill your grandmother, two worlds would be made, with one, genuinely killing your grandmother (universe A), and the other one not killing (Universe B). So the person will cease to exist in Universe A, but will exist in Universe B. Does this answer your question? (BTW, I'm sorry if this is a bit annoying, but it is part of the quantum theory, and as quantum physicists say, if you don't find it crazy, you probably don't understand it.)
What happens to universe A when the non existent person fails to repeat/preform the action that created universe A?

I understand how this applies to events that do not cause themselves to not happen. It is in the particular case of an event that causes itself to not happen that I am confused.
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Re: a solution to the time travel paradox https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26920.msg528485#msg528485
« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2012, 09:34:51 am »
Do you mean that what happens when the killer travels back to his own time in Universe A? (In which Universe A was also the universe in which magna matricidium was performed.)
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