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Re: a basic in psychology: how to deal with a depressed friend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37964.msg484871#msg484871
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2012, 01:57:28 pm »
@vrt
Ad hominem? He's not necessarily wrong just because you think he's acting like an expert after taking a class he can't even spell.

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Re: a basic in psychology: how to deal with a depressed friend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37964.msg484899#msg484899
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2012, 02:34:33 pm »
@vrt
Ad hominem? He's not necessarily wrong just because you think he's acting like an expert after taking a class he can't even spell.
intro to psych is what we call it. typically people like to take the easier paths and abrieviating it makes it easier to say. and thank you for defending me.

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you seem to be getting pretty elitest with me. its not just this topic, but from the interactions weve had, you've seemed to have been seeing me as a buffoon and imbecile, can i inquire as to why that is?
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Re: a basic in psychology: how to deal with a depressed friend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37964.msg484972#msg484972
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2012, 04:48:57 pm »
I forgot, Freshman college courses save lives. You go, you hero you.
That is rather unnecessary. He/she just learned something and decided to share it for the benefit of people who A) haven't or didn't go to college or B) never took that course (my college doesn't). The fact that he stated where he got his information should be evidence enough that he's trying to show the information isn't just pulled out of his rear. For all you know, someone -did- take this information, apply it, and save a life.

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Re: a basic in psychology: how to deal with a depressed friend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37964.msg485322#msg485322
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2012, 08:00:39 am »
@vrt
Ad hominem? He's not necessarily wrong just because you think he's acting like an expert after taking a class he can't even spell.
intro to psych is what we call it. typically people like to take the easier paths and abrieviating it makes it easier to say. and thank you for defending me.

@vrt
you seem to be getting pretty elitest with me. its not just this topic, but from the interactions weve had, you've seemed to have been seeing me as a buffoon and imbecile, can i inquire as to why that is?

I was annoyed at you in chat after you repeatedly said you did "everything you could to find something" that turned out to be right there on the second result on a Google search. That just reeks of laziness and ignorance.


When it comes to this topic: Your entire first post is written as if you know exactly what to do and what not to do, and it quite frankly is riddled with misinformation. It seems to be more of a way of trying to justify how you used to get mad at people in chat when they wouldn't put up with your teen angst. Adding to that, this "Intro to Psych" you talk about, which starts off by telling you what to do about depression, sounds utterly ludicrous, especially considering the introduction to a proper psychology course is pretty much 2 years of working with statistics.



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Re: a basic in psychology: how to deal with a depressed friend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37964.msg485455#msg485455
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2012, 05:45:37 pm »
This shouldn't be a place for hatred. You shouldn't bash a person because he didn't google something right. I'd agree with tyranim, you're being elitist, you should stop hating for that and focus on why this thread exists.

Also, where did you get the idea that you need 2 years of statistics for an introductory course? Perhaps if you have intents to study psychology some statistics classes would be in order, but it's far from necessary especially when 7-8 different introductory science classes are lumped together and you pick one for your core course. A proper astronomy course would require some physics classes, yes? But I did not have to take any type of physics for my introductory class because that's what it is, and introduction. I know people who took a psychology class my senior year of high school. There were statistics, but you didn't have to be able to work with them because, again, this was an introduction.

Finally, please point out the misinformation instead of just saying its wrong, and you might as well cite your information, since most everyone else is speaking from personal experience or from information given in a class.
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Re: a basic in psychology: how to deal with a depressed friend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37964.msg485505#msg485505
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2012, 07:18:24 pm »
This shouldn't be a place for hatred. You shouldn't bash a person because he didn't google something right. I'd agree with tyranim, you're being elitist, you should stop hating for that and focus on why this thread exists.

Also, where did you get the idea that you need 2 years of statistics for an introductory course? Perhaps if you have intents to study psychology some statistics classes would be in order, but it's far from necessary especially when 7-8 different introductory science classes are lumped together and you pick one for your core course. A proper astronomy course would require some physics classes, yes? But I did not have to take any type of physics for my introductory class because that's what it is, and introduction. I know people who took a psychology class my senior year of high school. There were statistics, but you didn't have to be able to work with them because, again, this was an introduction.

Finally, please point out the misinformation instead of just saying its wrong, and you might as well cite your information, since most everyone else is speaking from personal experience or from information given in a class.

1. "Depression is a disorder that causes us to look at life in a more negative, more helpless aspect."
The definition is too general for the advice unit is trying to give. "Depression" is a blanket term that doesn't diagnose a disorder with a single do-or-die solution, and unit's description of it doesn't help.

2. "DONT lecture them, that will only make them feel more helpless (yes, it seems like it seems like your helping, but it will only make things worse, it makes them feel like you are calling them stupid). [...] even when your friend ISNT depressed, lecturing is something you should never do anyway. it is one of the quickest ways to ruin your relationship with your depressed friend."
As someone who previously "[looked] at life in a [...] helpless aspect", a strong, verbal slap-back-into-reality was all I needed to get better. Of course, I don't believe that we should all go around crashing psychiatrist offices and lecturing patients, because everyone is different. Which is exactly my point.

3. "while depressed, we feel that no one cares about us. it is important to pay attention to and comfort a friend with depression. [...] the ONLY things a depressed person wants is to be listened to, comforted, and supported by those he/she cares for the most. and even if you dont know him/her very well, it will help a ton to comfort him/her anyway."
Oh, please. The last thing an angsty teenager needs is for their parents to care ask more questions. All I have to do is go to any person I know and say, "I suffer from depression," and, no matter who they are, I'll be bombarded with silly questions like "What's wrong?" and "Anything I can do to help?" No, I don't want your help, and from now on I'm probably going to avoid you as much as possible. On a related note, if someone's depression stems from persistent things like family issues, then maybe the best thing to do isn't comforting them into thinking that violence is not that bad.

4. "and if you are the type who hate "emo bullsh*t", the more you support, the quicker the "emo bullsh*t" goes away and you wont have to deal with it anymore."
This is the most dangerous thing unit said. Among the list of personalities susceptible to "depression" is the rare suicidal-and-clingy type. If you willingly build a relationship with a previously platonic friend of this type, you may end up with someone who calls you every day demanding attention or giving suicide threats. If you know that someone is going through more than "emo bullsh*t", then refer them to a psychologist and let the professionals do their job.
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Re: a basic in psychology: how to deal with a depressed friend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37964.msg485516#msg485516
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2012, 07:43:21 pm »
i also have personal experience with depression (being diagnosed at the age of 8 -_-), i didnt inlude this in the op because i was afraid elitests would try and pick holes in it. and i posted this because a friend of mine (who sometimes lurks in here) is going through some seriously tough sh*t (mom died, break up through engagement, and a seriously f***ed up hip) and i was trying to tell him that there are people out there who will give him comfort as long as he understood. but i guess my idea went up in flames. and i DID take that class mr. genious.
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Re: a basic in psychology: how to deal with a depressed friend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37964.msg485523#msg485523
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2012, 07:50:49 pm »
I don't know why you quoted me when my statement was directed to vrt, but fine.

You make valid points, but the real point here that I think we'll agree on is that people are different and respond differently. The OP gave a blanket response taught to him by class. You gave a personal experience. Neither would have worked for me, and I had both. Heck, sometimes no matter how you work with someone nothing will change because what is needed is medication. So, what do we do when there is so many different ways a person can be depressed? I think the blanket approach given is decent, but the best option is suggesting (not demanding) medical attention (medicine or therapy to be determined by a professional) and in the mean time listening to them when they want listened too.

I think your response is just a tad off on point 3. He's not saying to ask questions, he said to listen and comfort.

On the point of the clingy type, if someone escalates to that level its best not to risk them following through on a suicide threat. Get them attention fast (first suicide threat even), but listen to them and feed their need until someone arrives to take care of the person.

I'd go into more detail on a few of these but I need to go
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Re: a basic in psychology: how to deal with a depressed friend https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37964.msg485527#msg485527
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2012, 08:01:00 pm »
Too much flaming going on in a thread about a pseudoscience. Next time try to take a less preachy approach and invite discussion instead.
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