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Re: (Air Lt) phoenix1211 3 - 0 Manuel (Life Discard) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65520.msg1272637#msg1272637
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2017, 10:55:28 am »
SoP by itself isn't easy mode. Having one of the five best players to ever play the game as general along with three other very strong players contributes. Having a flawed balance system that penalizes stronger elements too much contributes.

SoP didn't really change any of the macro reasons Water was never threatening. It was already an elite stallbreaking element with major holes in what else it could offer in War's metagame. SoP is more powerful than any stallbreak card it had previously, and it does help the element a lot, but Tears is still banned in most tournaments, so it's not like that gap is massive. Again, it's a very powerful card that does a lot for Water, but to say it moves the needle from bottom-tier to easy mode by itself is simply not correct.

Water's similar to Time in some important ways - it gets compared to Earth a lot but I think Time is another good comparison. Many people I talked to about why Water struggled in War pointed to lack of PC as Water's biggest issue. This is a weakness Time not only shares, but struggles with more because of zero shield bypass. But I have no recollection of anyone ever questioning Time being a consistent top-four threat under 10men and Spike, and in fact, if you put more weight on the comparison to Earth, they've been competitive in multiple eras too. Air pre-SoFr was competitive without true PC, too.

This is just the remnants of anti-shard bias. I understand why it existed, but putting shards in war broke up a ridiculously stale meta and enabled it to evolve faster than it had at any point since the last update. A real good example is SoV, a card which was considered trash before Physsion showed it could be utilized effectively. Untapped territory still exists and is still being explored, and while this could have happened without shards, adding them to the food web sped up the process and expanded the potential scope of it.

If you want to hate SoP and SoFr, fine. In some ways I agree, they are definitely problem cards and a solution should be found. But then you also need to be talking about other cards that have dominated War the same way they currently are, and for much longer. Psion defined an era, largely because of Fractal. Graboid, V-Dagger, and the aforementioned Fractal have been in almost every vault in every war. This isn't a definitive list, there are other cards you can throw into this conversation, but the solution is doing more to limit all of these power cards that have too much of an effect on the metagame, not just picking two that happen to share a prefix.
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Re: (Air Lt) phoenix1211 3 - 0 Manuel (Life Discard) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65520.msg1272638#msg1272638
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2017, 10:56:30 am »
SoFr and SoP are garbage without top players like Afda and JCJ (and their teammates) deciding when and how to use it.

"SoP and SoFr are OP, it's so easy to be on team Water and team Air." That's just a silly excuse because you couldn't come up with a deck. I've been getting rekt by Air and Water all war and I'm still trying to come up with counters, and I'm like 70 cards below you.

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Re: (Air Lt) phoenix1211 3 - 0 Manuel (Life Discard) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65520.msg1272639#msg1272639
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2017, 10:59:15 am »
I literally said I have been really impressed with life.
My disappointment is that you dont have enough faith in yourselves to at least try something.
Death did. They won.
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Re: (Air Lt) phoenix1211 3 - 0 Manuel (Life Discard) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65520.msg1272640#msg1272640
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2017, 11:05:11 am »
There is something called logic... SOP and Sofree are the cards more expenssive on the marketing because one reason
(because does the things easy for your elements) also a lot of player complains about that cards before the war starts,
what JcJ says was one offensive cometary unnecessary then who to speak what want hear what don't want
if you're complaining about my team's campaign, I can complain about his campaign

and sorry about speak team air but was pretty necessary to argue (now I want see team air win this war more than never before)
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Re: (Air Lt) phoenix1211 3 - 0 Manuel (Life Discard) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65520.msg1272641#msg1272641
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2017, 11:06:26 am »
tbf our remaining decks are excellent vs the topteams in particular while i pray not to meet aether or entropy. Even if I mindgate them I still lose.

Also, Im convinced that getting an at least 15% chance of winning the match (weighing an average of 5 less discards vs having 15 of your discards locked to specific cards) is almost always worth it or at least good enough to fight this out the honourable way.
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Re: (Air Lt) phoenix1211 3 - 0 Manuel (Life Discard) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65520.msg1272642#msg1272642
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2017, 11:10:13 am »
I literally said I have been really impressed with life.
My disappointment is that you dont have enough faith in yourselves to at least try something.
Death did. They won.
we tried what we have to try. otherwise should be a loser deck anyway and we prefer this one.
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Re: (Air Lt) phoenix1211 3 - 0 Manuel (Life Discard) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65520.msg1272643#msg1272643
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2017, 11:11:13 am »
(now I want see team air win this war more than never before)

So now you are openly supporting the team you just suicided.
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Re: (Air Lt) phoenix1211 3 - 0 Manuel (Life Discard) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65520.msg1272644#msg1272644
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2017, 11:24:52 am »
(now I want see team air win this war more than never before)

So now you are openly supporting the team you just suicided.
You really think that team air need of some support to win against life? poor man....
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Re: (Air Lt) phoenix1211 3 - 0 Manuel (Life Discard) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65520.msg1272645#msg1272645
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2017, 11:29:06 am »
You really think that team air need of some support to win against life? poor man....
What I think is irrelevant. Are you openly crying support for a team while suiciding against them or not? :)
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Re: (Air Lt) phoenix1211 3 - 0 Manuel (Life Discard) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65520.msg1272646#msg1272646
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2017, 11:32:43 am »
While I personally do not agree with the choice made to field a suicide deck vs Air, I'm sure it wasn't really a 2 second decision. I hardly imagine a scenario in which multiple decks don't get built and tested against Air's best decks. If they truly believe that this was their best choice, then that should at least be respected. Debates are fine to be had, but insulting another team in a way that isn't simple banter is a tad far.

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Re: (Air Lt) phoenix1211 3 - 0 Manuel (Life Discard) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65520.msg1272647#msg1272647
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2017, 11:34:24 am »
You really think that team air need of some support to win against life? poor man....
What I think is irrelevant. Are you openly crying support for a team while suiciding against them or not? :)
How much malice do you have in your head Hainkarga... really
if I really want helps air with losing matches I should put better cards for tasty savage
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Re: (Air Lt) phoenix1211 3 - 0 Manuel (Life Discard) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=65520.msg1272648#msg1272648
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Relax, I'm teasing you.
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