-life master- killsdazombies 2- nyma 1 entropy

[Daxx]

Perhaps because Nyma is a good sport and allowed the rematch (assuming these allegations are true)? Or are you suggesting that, for example, people who let their opponents switch marks after accidentally not switching aren't allowed to - even in the interests of good sportsmanship?

Unless Nyma has made this complaint herself I think the result should stand, since Nyma conceded the match in the first place.

[ddevans96]

The evidence against life in this match is fairly incriminating. If we give Nyma the win for one game and not the other it isn't fair at all. Either she gets the win for both matches or neither.

That means our two main options are to A) Give the match to or B) Redo the match in its entirety.

[Scaredgirl]

Perhaps because Nyma is a good sport and allowed the rematch (assuming these allegations are true)? Or are you suggesting that, for example, people who let their opponents switch marks after accidentally not switching aren't allowed to - even in the interests of good sportsmanship?

Unless Nyma has made this complaint herself I think the result should stand, since Nyma conceded the match in the first place.

About that Mark example.. if you ask my personal opinion, then here it is. Lets say my opponent had a great starting hand, but I had the wrong mark because I was dumb enough to not check my deck before we started. I don't think that it is "good sportmanship" to restart the whole thing because I have failed, possibly giving him a horrible starting hand, with which he will lose. That could potentially lead to a situation where he would lose because I made a mistake. I think that is just wrong, and it's the opposite of good sportsmanship because it gives the other player an advantage he didn't deserve.

Making a mistake and using an illegal deck in War is an automatic loss. From a philosophic standpoint, I see no difference with that and closing the browser window by accident. Both are accidental losses caused by a mistake made by one person.

I personally feel very strongly that actions should have consequences, and it's the responsibility of the individual to make sure mistakes don't happen. And if mistakes do happen, it's that individual who should carry full responsibility for them. I don't see how the opponent could be blamed for not being a "good sport", or the organizers blamed for being "unfair", when they had nothing to do with the failure happening, and in opponents case, being a "good sport" might lead to a loss.

The evidence against life in this match is fairly incriminating. If we give Nyma the win for one game and not the other it isn't fair at all. Either she gets the win for both matches or neither.

That means our two main options are to A) Give the match to or B) Redo the match in its entirety.

I think those both are excellent choices. I personally would go with option A, but for the masses, a more "fair" solution might be option B. If there is any doubt about what really happened or how this should be handled, doing a rematch and letting Elemental Gods decide, is always a good option.

It's your call.

[ddevans96]

Alright. Here's what I think we're going to do.

1) Match is restarted from 0-0
2) Any two players can substitute the match
3) Both teams will get full salvage

Hopefully this matter can be resolved before the round ends.

[killsdazombies]

the reason i counted one was because i was in prime position to win one, i had a fractal in hand, 6 chikens out, and enough for a fractal and playing a few. the other one was a start of match where i had a crummy hand, and would have likely lost. Im trying to get used to a new computer and on a mac, the touch pad dosnt count as a click, where as on a PC it does, so if i switch from chat to game, it thinks i click the X next to each tab, i tried to get to another computer after i noticed this happening, which annoys and is still annoying the living hell out of me. Even after this, we desynced where i was a turn from winning, i said lets redo it, i put you through enough with this.

[Malduk]

Giving your opponent option to actually put up a fight is in my opinion a good sportmanship, even though its his mistake and even though it might bite me in the ass, I'll always allow the opponent to actually fight, as opposed to play with wrong mark, or in this case, not play at all.

I dont care who wins this, but I really wouldnt like this to be example to players to claim wins after a silly mistake. Yes mistakes are mistakes, but we're here to have fun, not to take a million dollar prize. I'd rather lose in a fight than win over technicality.

[ddevans96]

I revise my previous post. Because both original players met at a scheduled time yesterday and played, both teams will get full salvage if they win.

[Daxx]

I personally feel very strongly that actions should have consequences, and it's the responsibility of the individual to make sure mistakes don't happen. And if mistakes do happen, it's that individual who should carry full responsibility for them. I don't see how the opponent could be blamed for not being a "good sport", or the organizers blamed for being "unfair", when they had nothing to do with the failure happening, and in opponents case, being a "good sport" might lead to a loss.

This isn't a case where I'm blaming anyone for not being a "good sport" or for it being "unfair". I'm not so childish as that. If Nyma wanted to, she would be perfectly within her rights to demand both matches as a win, and that is perfectly fair. In fact, I was commending Nyma on her good sportsmanship in giving us the clear victory, and asking why you're not letting her do that. Because what appears to be happening here is that she is not being allowed to give us the victory.

KDZ has said he'll replay the match, so I guess this isn't worth causing a fuss about. I'm just confused.

[Scaredgirl]

Giving your opponent option to actually put up a fight is in my opinion a good sportmanship, even though its his mistake and even though it might bite me in the ass, I'll always allow the opponent to actually fight, as opposed to play with wrong mark, or in this case, not play at all.

I dont care who wins this, but I really wouldnt like this to be example to players to claim wins after a silly mistake. Yes mistakes are mistakes, but we're here to have fun, not to take a million dollar prize. I'd rather lose in a fight than win over technicality.

Problem with the approach is that where do you draw the line? When is a user made mistake big enough that "good sportsmanship" and a rematch is needed?

Wrong mark?
Wrong cards?
Wrong card?
Plays wrong card?
Closed the window by mistake?
Had to leave mid-game because of dinner?
etc.

See what I'm getting at? Do we really need to go though every single possible scenario of failure and decide what to do?


Alternative:
Lets say we have a rule that if you close the browser window by mistake, whatever the situation is, you lose. Period.

Can you see how simple and beautiful that kind of rule would be for both the organizers and the players?

I personally feel very strongly that actions should have consequences, and it's the responsibility of the individual to make sure mistakes don't happen. And if mistakes do happen, it's that individual who should carry full responsibility for them. I don't see how the opponent could be blamed for not being a "good sport", or the organizers blamed for being "unfair", when they had nothing to do with the failure happening, and in opponents case, being a "good sport" might lead to a loss.

This isn't a case where I'm blaming anyone for not being a "good sport" or for it being "unfair". I'm not so childish as that. If Nyma wanted to, she would be perfectly within her rights to demand both matches as a win, and that is perfectly fair. In fact, I was commending Nyma on her good sportsmanship in giving us the clear victory, and asking why you're not letting her do that. Because what appears to be happening here is that she is not being allowed to give us the victory.

KDZ has said he'll replay the match, so I guess this isn't worth causing a fuss about. I'm just confused.

Team has actually taken a very commendable approach to this whole situation. They felt, rightfully so, that something had to be done about this situation. Instead of starting drama here, they did what they are supposed to do and informed the organizers about it. They gave a full and detailed explanation with multiple screenshots. This proof gave myself and out Warmaster a very clear picture of what had actually happened.

I think that both Nyma and the whole team acted very professionally and calmly in a situation, and everyone should follow their example if something similar happens in the future.

Warmaster has made a decision, and the rematch is being fought as I'm typing this, so that's that.