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Re: (fire soldier) mrpaper 3- 2 Physsion ( entropy lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57083.msg1171102#msg1171102
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2014, 02:29:14 pm »
bs.

I don't think I remember anyone needing a screenshot to give a win after they loss to Ai.
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Re: (fire soldier) mrpaper 3- 2 Physsion ( entropy lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57083.msg1171106#msg1171106
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2014, 02:46:28 pm »
Asking for repeating a game in which you lost to AI is pathetic. And suddenly precise screenshots are necessary when it is not us. Typical.
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Re: (fire soldier) mrpaper 3- 2 Physsion ( entropy lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57083.msg1171107#msg1171107
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2014, 02:48:53 pm »
I remember that I had a victory and with losing to AI opponent,  in the case was because quanta generation (quantum pillar) decided the course of victory,
Then asked my opponente if it beat my AI and he answered "you won, you have deflag" really had deflag but no fire quanta to use it, however my AI was able to do. of course I did not say that I lost because he did not ask. :D
but I believe that only in the case of QP is necessary that thing.

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Re: (fire soldier) mrpaper 3- 2 Physsion ( entropy lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57083.msg1171110#msg1171110
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2014, 02:51:02 pm »
i hope that  :entropy team, still trust other team, and still to not asking a screenshot when the game is always over.
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Re: (fire soldier) mrpaper 3- 2 Physsion ( entropy lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57083.msg1171112#msg1171112
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2014, 02:52:17 pm »
This is a very obvious situation and Physsion is not lying. But WMs prefer to act like mindless robots when it is convenient. This is yet another case of mrpaper opting to go after abusing the rules instead of being a sportsman. He was the same few wars ago.
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Re: (fire soldier) mrpaper 3- 2 Physsion ( entropy lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57083.msg1171115#msg1171115
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2014, 02:57:01 pm »
i am not angry about warmaster, just a little about Mrpaper to be like that .just sad ,was my end of my point of view,
good end of war for all expect for Mrpaper  :-*
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Re: (fire soldier) mrpaper 3- 2 Physsion ( entropy lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57083.msg1171119#msg1171119
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2014, 03:09:44 pm »
Asking for repeating a game in which you lost to AI is pathetic. And suddenly precise screenshots are necessary when it is not us. Typical.
TBH there was a game where we both loss to AI so it happens.  As for is the image he provides was oki... I believe it wasn't but didn't know for sure so we played the rest hoping we would not have a 2-2 match to avoid drama.  And of course after quite some time, 2-2 was the score (excluding the screenie)  So I asked we play a final game and we would just forget the good or not screenie if he wins, and if he lost.. well WM's ruling would be deciding.  And while I prefer winning obviously, I was 100% ok with whatever the wm's would say. 
Physsion as been really fair in this, sry if I don't seem to be since I got the win... this was never the intention to be rude to Physsion or team entropy, I wish em well and I wish em luck.

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Re: (fire soldier) mrpaper 3- 2 Physsion ( entropy lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57083.msg1171122#msg1171122
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2014, 03:18:12 pm »
w/e, sportsmanship's dead.
i'm done with this.
Next war match, I'll keep on forcing desyncs until I get perfect draws. Also, I'm going to require screenshots for desyncs on every war match this war, so that, in case the screenshots aren't adequate enough, the match can be promptly voided. I don't even care anymore, since not even a win screenshot and the opponent admitting his loss is enough to call for a definite result. I mean it's not like mrpaper claimed a win there, he actually admitted he lost vs ai.
Also, I really enjoyed this retroactive rule edit, which also happens to be the 2nd desync rule edit this war. I have no idea why, since it's not like desyncing changed during war, warranting a rule change. But maybe I made the error of believing everyone would have the same fairness I would have.

A match where both players agree on the result is void.
This is bullshit.
And everyone knows it.

I hope everyone starts to force desyncs, since it's the most profitable tactic and there's nothing the opponent can do about it, except fail a screenshot sooner or later.
I'm not implying mrpaper did force desync in any way.


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Re: (fire soldier) mrpaper 3- 2 Physsion ( entropy lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57083.msg1171134#msg1171134
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2014, 04:03:58 pm »
My decision here was based on precedent of a screenshot of the win screen not being equivalent to a screenshot of the winning turn, as iancu noted. I discussed this with serprex and we agreed that it should not be equivalent.
The edit to the rules was made to clarify this, because it was previously not explicitly stated.
I do not approve of mrpaper's behavior here, but it was within his rights to ask for a screenshot.

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Re: (fire soldier) mrpaper 3- 2 Physsion ( entropy lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57083.msg1171140#msg1171140
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2014, 04:19:06 pm »
The edit to the rules was made to clarify this, because it was previously not explicitly stated.
Retroactive rule edits are the way to go.
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Re: (fire soldier) mrpaper 3- 2 Physsion ( entropy lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57083.msg1171143#msg1171143
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2014, 04:29:13 pm »
Also, I want to see mrpaper's screenshot of every of his own desync losses to see if he got a good screenshot that complies with the rules. For every time he lost and he desynced, to see if there was actual real bad behaviour from ai's part.

Otherwise, he's just calling bad behaviour on legitimate losses and voiding legitimate matches.
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Re: (fire soldier) mrpaper 3- 2 Physsion ( entropy lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57083.msg1171145#msg1171145
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2014, 04:59:19 pm »
Thanks for your input, serprex. Obviously, not the outcome Entropy was hoping for, but an understandable decision.

I am, admittedly, feeling really salty about this. It's not the kind of play I'd expect from a team of such experienced players. I'd advise everyone to take screenshots of every win, no matter the outcome on the other end - I certainly will be from this point on, to prevent things like this from happening again.

Regardless, good luck to everyone for the rest of the round, as always. I can only hope this isn't the end of the line for Entropy this war.

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