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(Time Sld) TheonlyrealBeef 3 - 2 (Light Sld) furkannnO https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52598.msg1111840#msg1111840
« on: November 25, 2013, 08:29:34 pm »
Another fire duo vs fire duo like last round? Another 3-2 result? Sure looks like it, annoying turtle and oh, that Eternity... that one, single Eternity, muhaha...

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Game 1: Win
Had a really nice start this game, was checking what he had in that deck and when I saw Fire Shield I was like: oh, RoL Hope counter, let's do this, slightly more quanta than needed and furk drew all the bolts iirc. I decided just in time to ditch those Deflags on pends to get out of bolt range (before he even used them I think). Eternity mid-game basically drawlocked him out of additional quanta :P
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Game 2-3: Loss
Both games were similar, furk got MG, I got no Eternity and he managed to get both an MG, MP and a Phoenix out vs mostly just turtle (drew both both games). Outrushed.
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Game 4: Win
Bad quanta draw, furk having an epic one. I had everything I needed in hand though, so when I started topdecking quanta along with Eternity... omnomnom :3
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Game 5: Win
I had an epic quanta start, no way to spend that quanta yet but with a second turn Eternity topdeck... huehue.
furk basically ended up playing 1 MP. Miracle showed up here and got me worried, but being drawlocked with me slowly drawing more and more, yeah.
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ggs tl;dr
g 1, 4, 5 Eternity vs no MG -> win
g 2, 3 no Eternity vs MG -> loss
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Re: (Time Sld) TheonlyrealBeef 3 - 2 (Light Sld) furkannnO https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52598.msg1111842#msg1111842
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Re: (Time Sld) TheonlyrealBeef 3 - 2 (Light Sld) furkannnO https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52598.msg1111862#msg1111862
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2013, 09:49:34 pm »
TorB -

What is "MG"?  I'm thinking Morning Star (but that is "MS")...  Also, are you implying that Eternity somehow draw-locked a HUMAN player?  That can only happen if the opponent continually re-spams the lone rewound creature repeatedly instead of building a stockpile in-hand and spamming _quantity_ against the once-per-turn Eternity.  ?_?
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Re: (Time Sld) TheonlyrealBeef 3 - 2 (Light Sld) furkannnO https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52598.msg1111865#msg1111865
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2013, 09:56:50 pm »
First screenshot shows 10 card difference on the decks where it should be 3 (4 depending on cointoss). Torb also has 2 RT in his deck and one of them is in his hand so he used at most 1 rt.

Conclusion: it seems furkannnO's lone phoenix was played each turn and was eternit-ied each turn, which is wrongful play. (if torb had more RT's, it could be possible that he RT'd multiple creatures but this isn't the case.)

Edit: Another option is Torb drawing a lot with his nymph and furkann killing it eventually, which explains the difference. But furkan has too low fire quanta and needs 3 FB to kill it within his quanta generation, also torb says drawlock

Edit2: Ok it could also be that furkan had multiple creatures which were all eternied one by one each turn and he didn't have quanta to replay so he accumulated them in vain. Which means no misplay. Tho this scenerio would be up to 8 card difference max and with 5 creatures on furkan's side 4 rounds ago. Not possible with 2 pends i guess.

And game 5 can only be explained by "an early nymph which drew a lot and were killed later", assuming no misplay. Otherwise furkann misplayed that one.

So many situations with eternity :D

In any case, torb's deck is slightly stronger.
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Re: (Time Sld) TheonlyrealBeef 3 - 2 (Light Sld) furkannnO https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52598.msg1111867#msg1111867
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2013, 10:05:45 pm »
MG=Morning Glory=Morning Star, as referred to by someone who is used to upped cards?

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Re: (Time Sld) TheonlyrealBeef 3 - 2 (Light Sld) furkannnO https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52598.msg1111978#msg1111978
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2013, 11:04:41 am »
MG=Morning Glory=Morning Star, as referred to by someone who is used to upped cards?
Yeah, that. Keep thinking MG.
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Also, are you implying that Eternity somehow draw-locked a HUMAN player?  That can only happen if the opponent continually re-spams the lone rewound creature repeatedly instead of building a stockpile in-hand and spamming _quantity_ against the once-per-turn Eternity.  ?_?
That's exactly what happened, didn't hesitate to make use of that, either. In fact I did use RT + Eternity in last game keeping furk 1 turn away from drawing a Phoenix every turn he replayed MP <insert trollface here>
On the other hand, Eternity did keep me from playing a bunch of ghosts I had in hand most games xD

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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2013, 02:55:05 pm »
Ouch, so based on TORB's  description we could have won this if playing smarter than AI-style. :'(
So along with Sub's mistake in the other match that we lost 2-3, we could be standing at 3 wins instead of 1 win, 2 losses this round
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Re: (Time Sld) TheonlyrealBeef 3 - 2 (Light Sld) furkannnO https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52598.msg1112016#msg1112016
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Re: (Time Sld) TheonlyrealBeef 3 - 2 (Light Sld) furkannnO https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52598.msg1112022#msg1112022
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2013, 05:00:25 pm »
Ouch, so based on TORB's  description we could have won this if playing smarter than AI-style. :'(
So along with Sub's mistake in the other match that we lost 2-3, we could be standing at 3 wins instead of 1 win, 2 losses this round


so with mistakes taken out, it coulda been 2-1, with loss being to rob

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Ouch, so based on TORB's  description we could have won this if playing smarter than AI-style. :'(
So along with Sub's mistake in the other match that we lost 2-3, we could be standing at 3 wins instead of 1 win, 2 losses this round


so with mistakes taken out, it coulda been 2-1, with loss being to rob77dERp

FIFY.

Fair note:  I think I only made one game-costing mistake in our match, Zso.  As did you it seems... so xy, Zso's statement of possible 3-0 sans mistakes is somewhat accurate in an alternate reality.  :D
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