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Re: (entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16884.msg217524#msg217524
« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2010, 08:53:48 pm »
i dont even want to look at this thread anymore...  the last few posts have been confusing me
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Re: (entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16884.msg217565#msg217565
« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2010, 09:46:04 pm »
Actually, Entropy and Time are nicely connected by the second law of thermodynamics:
Over Time, the Entropy of a system can only increase.
You can see a nice real-life example of this here (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AvDCVJDBDCejdGV0bU41eWlVLS1kRnFicXBKYk9nNkE&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html).
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Re: (entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16884.msg217570#msg217570
« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2010, 09:53:13 pm »
I dont get it, Why are people upset? Aether gave up those cards, it was their choice. Whining does not help reverse it. Entropy got some extra cards which are helpful, and it might wreck other rounds, but it's all in the deck that matters. To me, this thing is not a bit unfair. If I was to complain, I would complain against the WHOLE 'suicide' deck thing. But, I won't since it doesn't concern me. Get over it guys.

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Re: (entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16884.msg217591#msg217591
« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2010, 10:07:56 pm »
I dont get it, Why are people upset? Aether gave up those cards, it was their choice. Whining does not help reverse it. Entropy got some extra cards which are helpful, and it might wreck other rounds, but it's all in the deck that matters. To me, this thing is not a bit unfair. If I was to complain, I would complain against the WHOLE 'suicide' deck thing. But, I won't since it doesn't concern me. Get over it guys.
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Re: (entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16884.msg217600#msg217600
« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2010, 10:18:22 pm »
If I was to complain, I would complain against the WHOLE 'suicide' deck thing.
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Re: (entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16884.msg217601#msg217601
« Reply #65 on: December 05, 2010, 10:20:40 pm »
I dont get it, Why are people upset? Aether gave up those cards, it was their choice. Whining does not help reverse it. Entropy got some extra cards which are helpful, and it might wreck other rounds, but it's all in the deck that matters. To me, this thing is not a bit unfair. If I was to complain, I would complain against the WHOLE 'suicide' deck thing. But, I won't since it doesn't concern me. Get over it guys.
Why are you complaining about people complaining about something? People simply like to complain, get over it!

Actually, Entropy and Time are nicely connected by the second law of thermodynamics:
Over Time, the Entropy of a system can only increase.
You can see a nice real-life example of this here (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AvDCVJDBDCejdGV0bU41eWlVLS1kRnFicXBKYk9nNkE&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html).
I take it that last war's ending was an example of an exception that proves the law? By the way, nice spreadsheet. I'd love to see it updated with this round's results. And Team :underworld seems quite funny on this diagram.
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Re: (entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16884.msg217603#msg217603
« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2010, 10:28:26 pm »
I dont get it, Why are people upset? Aether gave up those cards, it was their choice. Whining does not help reverse it. Entropy got some extra cards which are helpful, and it might wreck other rounds, but it's all in the deck that matters. To me, this thing is not a bit unfair. If I was to complain, I would complain against the WHOLE 'suicide' deck thing. But, I won't since it doesn't concern me. Get over it guys.
Why are you complaining about people complaining about something? People simply like to complain, get over it!
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Re: (entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16884.msg217626#msg217626
« Reply #67 on: December 05, 2010, 11:11:33 pm »
Actually, Entropy and Time are nicely connected by the second law of thermodynamics:
Over Time, the Entropy of a system can only increase.
You can see a nice real-life example of this here (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AvDCVJDBDCejdGV0bU41eWlVLS1kRnFicXBKYk9nNkE&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html).
The second law of thermodynamics doesn't really connect time and entropy. It has many formulations and they all roughly speak that entropy increases in all natural processes but it doesn't give the time-entropy dependency equation, and that's what Xinef was looking for. It actually links entropy and energy.
But your real life example... I can't argue with that :(

I was just joking about time-entropy duo. I like that combo ;)
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Re: (entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16884.msg217644#msg217644
« Reply #68 on: December 05, 2010, 11:40:52 pm »
I take it that last war's ending was an example of an exception that proves the law? By the way, nice spreadsheet. I'd love to see it updated with this round's results. And Team :underworld seems quite funny on this diagram.
If you hadn't yet noticed, I made our team's War Charts available through my signature. I will update results each round.

On that Vaults Influence spreadsheet, Team Underworld seems to increase in vault influence before they fight because the general population of cards is decreasing, so their proportion of 240 cards represents a relatively larger quantity. The graph is showing how much % of the total cards in play a team owns, so even when a team loses cards in a round their overall % can still increase.

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Re: (entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16884.msg217714#msg217714
« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2010, 01:00:53 am »
Whining does not help reverse it.
Hopefully it'll stop people doing it in the future.

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Re: (entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16884.msg217735#msg217735
« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2010, 01:39:43 am »
If you hadn't yet noticed, I made our team's War Charts available through my signature. I will update results each round.

On that Vaults Influence spreadsheet, Team Underworld seems to increase in vault influence before they fight because the general population of cards is decreasing, so their proportion of 240 cards represents a relatively larger quantity. The graph is showing how much % of the total cards in play a team owns, so even when a team loses cards in a round their overall % can still increase.
I hadn't yet noticed, so thanks for pointing me in the right direction. As for :underworld thanks for explaining the obvious. Still, the fact they are included from the beginning while they fought only from round 5 onwards causes them to look like the odd ones... which makes sense.
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Re: (entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16884.msg217901#msg217901
« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2010, 07:36:43 am »
I hadn't yet noticed, so thanks for pointing me in the right direction. As for :underworld thanks for explaining the obvious. Still, the fact they are included from the beginning while they fought only from round 5 onwards causes them to look like the odd ones... which makes sense.
Yep ... and it is kind of interesting that even though they started at 240 cards, they actually joined War not in last place ... because by Round 5 several teams were below the 240-card threshold.

 

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