(entropy) SirValimont 2 - 0 (aether) Toimu13 (No contest)

[MrBlonde]

My philosophy is a bit different in that we would suicide against the opponent we felt least likely to defeat. Troh took issue with this last War with me as well. I understand there is only one 1st place. But there is also one 12th place and nobody wants to be there. If Death could get 3rd to 4th every War (although by no means our goal and expectations) we can still feel like we are one of the top elements. I mean SG you said yourself that Death was a weak element last War so doing well each time out does mean something. I mean last War everyone thought Death was a bottom tier team. This War, still had the doubters but less so. And if we finish near the top this War i can't imagine anyone thinking we are not a top tier team next War.

Anyways back to topic, i thought Aether's choice of suicide was fine. You just really could have gave them different cards. 

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Team decision... did entire team Aether vote for Entropy to win the war? Those sneaky people just want their shards ;P Would really hate seeing those tools for Entropy used >_<

[guy_fawkes]

none will use their "relatively" best deck against THE STRONGEST opponent..
sorry SG, it's not short term thinking, it's survival...
30 card rule discard does not ALLOW you to risk your best deck against an opponent with a vault of 400 ...

[Zeru]

What's with al the commotion? was unable to make enough decks and they didn't see a chance of winning vs us.
4-1 is better than 3-2, so their decision is natural.
Of course they are playing to survive, not playing to win. You may think it's naive, but in the last War had a great chance of winning the war. Xinef made an amazing show of survival and thank to him, was defeated.
Surviving as long as possible, waiting for the strong teams to fall, that is a good way to win the war.

So, to all teams, suicide vs us

[hrmmm]

What's with al the commotion? was unable to make enough decks and they didn't see a chance of winning vs us.
4-1 is better than 3-2, so their decision is natural.
Of course they are playing to survive, not playing to win. You may think it's naive, but in the last War had a great chance of winning the war. Xinef made an amazing show of survival and thank to him, was defeated.Surviving as long as possible, waiting for the strong teams to fall, that is a good way to win the war.

So, to all teams, suicide vs us

nope its a bad way to win^^
the strongest team wont fall if all teams suicide vs. the strongest.

[Zeru]

the strongest team wont fall if all teams suicide vs. the strongest.

Quiet you!

[Xinef]

Aether should really watch their backs, and fronts and everything else. As we speak, Kael is behind you with a dagger, Terro under you with hammer, Blonde inside you with poison, Kev is sending his golems (xD) and Zeru is about to..... To...... Hug you :/

add me with a Titan, too.

Ain't it easier to rewind Toimu13 and try a different sequence of events? In an alternate universe Toimu13 took a decent deck and won, ultimately causing to get 2nd place while won the war



<loltag>Anyway, there is one reason why might benefit from giving good cards. Let's assume, that somehow manages to survive let's say 4 more rounds, and also assume that RNG was nice to them and they never faced during those 4 rounds. Thus, they helped to weaken all other teams, while all other teams tried to weaken . Thus, after those 4 rounds, finally faces weakened while all other teams have been eliminated (thanks to 's suicide). And thus wins the war. If they didn't give the good cards, other teams wouldn't be so much weakened by , so would lose to someone during those 4 rounds, or for example in the 4th round they wouldn't face , but let's say . And then they would lose. So obviously made the right decision... right?
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[Gocubbies1212]

xinef, i was understanding until you brought time into it...

Team decision... did entire team Aether vote for Entropy to win the war? Those sneaky people just want their shards ;P Would really hate seeing those tools for Entropy used >_<

i put entropy in 2nd place...  life in first

[Boingo]

The vault-watchers, those reading War #2 post-mortem, and anyone looking at Aether's woeful performance in Round 5 will understand why suicide, as much as we resisted it, became necessary.  So this was absolutely a Team decision.

As for the actual cards suicided, we are naturally deckbuilders and not non-deckbuilders.  We paid more attention to the decks we made than the non-deck we made.  We sized up our chances against 5 elements we were playing and decided this was the element (not team) that we had the least tools available in our current Vault to deal with.  We have no pact with and highly doubt they would ever go lightly or suicide against a middle-of-the-road team like us anyway (why lose 30 cards when you can gain 6?)  They haven't so far (minus 1 mathematical error on their part.)  We are an imperfect team (see our record) and this is not our first mistake.  It may be our last, however.

If Team Time rewound the situation, would we have suicided differently?  Almost certainly. 
Can we change that now?  Sadly, no. 
Will continuing to flame on the issue change things either?  No.

But as for those who somehow claiming that Team Entropy may win solely on the basis of a 6-card pickup in Round 6, that's just wishful/magical thinking and does nothing to explain the current War standings, Vault sizes or skillful deckbuilding they have employed.  I hope they go down in flames, but I'm not going to deny that they have skills.

[Malduk]

As for the actual cards suicided, we are naturally deckbuilders and not non-deckbuilders.  We paid more attention to the decks we made than the non-deck we made.  We sized up our chances against 5 elements we were playing and decided this was the element (not team) that we had the least tools available in our current Vault to deal with.

The only mistake here is that, when you picked Entropy as suicide target, you should have converted Entropy cards to Aether cards instead of whatever you picked to convert. That way you would still have your strategy and decks the same, but you wouldnt be helping your opponent as much.

[hrmmm]

the strongest team wont fall if all teams suicide vs. the strongest.

Quiet you!

NEVER! ^^

and... xinef you nice little theory has 1 weakness. *points to my statment in the quote and to this (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,16911.0.html)*

[Xinef]

and... xinef you nice little theory has 1 weakness. *points to my statment in the quote and to this (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,16911.0.html)*

Oh, my nice little theory indeed assumed that other teams than won't suicide too much against , but it's not a weakness. In fact still there are more 'normal' decks used against than suicide decks. And Time never suicided against and even if our suicide deck against was the first one, we ain't in need of a second.



And by the way, a quote I intended to reply to, but forgot to do it earlier

Of course they are playing to survive, not playing to win. You may think it's naive, but in the last War had a great chance of winning the war. Xinef made an amazing show of survival and thank to him, was defeated.
Surviving as long as possible, waiting for the strong teams to fall, that is a good way to win the war.

Well... according to war rules, surviving the war == winning. So we were playing to win, and playing to survive at the same Time. Well... we didn't manage to survive the whole war, but it's always nice to hear that our sacrifice helped to prevent some other element from winning... well, at least one 'traitor' who betrayed Time to join that element MWAHAHAAHAHAA xD