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Re: (Aether) (Point) EvaRia 2 - (Light) kirchj33 0 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26021.msg331949#msg331949
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2011, 02:51:49 am »
If I may presume to insert my two cents here, I do not think Team Light got up one morning and said, "hey, let's suicide against a leading team and screw everyone else over."  So blaming them for costing you ground is kind of unsportsmanlike.  Call me crazy, but mistake or not, aren't they trying to win like everyone else?

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Re: (Aether) (Point) EvaRia 2 - (Light) kirchj33 0 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26021.msg331956#msg331956
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2011, 03:00:16 am »
^^Agreed, though some people find Team Light's way of winning very odd, especially with history against them

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Re: (Aether) (Point) EvaRia 2 - (Light) kirchj33 0 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26021.msg331957#msg331957
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2011, 03:00:22 am »
Blargh! 4 pages of this nonsense? What's done is done. There is no changing it, and hindsight is always 20/20. Let's drop it and get on with the rest of the war already!
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Re: (Aether) (Point) EvaRia 2 - (Light) kirchj33 0 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26021.msg331970#msg331970
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2011, 03:23:10 am »
Blargh! 4 pages of this nonsense? What's done is done. There is no changing it, and hindsight is always 20/20. Let's drop it and get on with the rest of the war already!
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Re: (Aether) (Point) EvaRia 2 - (Light) kirchj33 0 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26021.msg332039#msg332039
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2011, 05:59:54 am »
Blargh! 4 pages of this nonsense? What's done is done. There is no changing it, and hindsight is always 20/20. Let's drop it and get on with the rest of the war already!
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I wouldn't because it adds nothing useful to the discussion. In fact, it actually adds to the drama because it implies that talking about the :light decision to suicide is somehow a terrible terrible thing. It's not. It's actually a very important topic and closely related to general War strategy. It's something all teams and players should think about when faced a similar situation.

Sure, team :light cannot change their decision anymore, but are we not supposed to talk about things that have happened in the past, just because we cannot change them? That would be silly. Why not just get rid of the concept of History then? The whole idea of topics like this one is that you talk about what is happening on them. No topics of discussion should be "banned" unless they break forum rules, or somehow hurts the event.

I personally think that team :light made a mistake if their goal is to win War. But to their defense, sometimes you have to make these difficult decisions, and sometimes those are wrong ones. That is not a big thing though because making perfect decisions every single time is impossible. I personally make wrong decisions on a daily basis, but the important thing is to identify those wrong decisions and never make them again. That is the adult, personal growth, way of doing things.

And who knows, maybe team :light made the correct decision? Maybe they would have lost against :aether no matter what, which would have led to their demise. I find that very hard to believe, but it is always a possibility. We will see what happens.


The reason I'm posting this is that I don't want people to be afraid of posting their opinions. If people have problems with decisions made by other teams, they should have the right to say so without others posting "please stop this drama!". Remember that without criticism, nothing will ever improve.

But there is of course a clear difference between constructive criticism, and saying " :light sucks". That latter is not allowed, but I haven't seen that on this topic. Only thing I've seen is people expressing their opinions (some for, some against), which is perfectly fine.

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Re: (Aether) (Point) EvaRia 2 - (Light) kirchj33 0 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26021.msg332077#msg332077
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2011, 07:45:46 am »
I personally think Light did the right thing, I would have done the same.

I also don't think it's team Light's current goal to win this war. They just want to finish as high as possible. If that means handing Aether a win and winning your match vs team Life/Death/Water/whatever, so be it.

Just my opinion ;)

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Re: (Aether) (Point) EvaRia 2 - (Light) kirchj33 0 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26021.msg332111#msg332111
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2011, 10:08:04 am »
I personally think Light did the right thing, I would have done the same.

I also don't think it's team Light's current goal to win this war. They just want to finish as high as possible. If that means handing Aether a win and winning your match vs team Life/Death/Water/whatever, so be it.

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Who cares if you are second. You are the first loser. If they are hoping that delaying their survival can give them victory, I would like them to look at War#2 standings. Once the leader passes a certain point, he is basically unstoppable. Look at round 8. My team actually grew at that point with a score of 8-1. And after that the advantage is ridiculous.

I can confess, that Team Air from the previous war has made a sweet deck that could have defeated all 11 of our decks except the pandemonium deck that was our only counter, but even then the sheer deck advantage would eventually give us the RNG victory.

That is why I placed high hopes of braking Aether's point. Looking at the standings right now I can see what will happen next. Aether will win unless something very weird happens. Especially with the almost non-random seeds. Higurashi has proven that she can lead a team perfectly and I don't see what kind of disaster can turn the tables now.
Just like I was bragging about my victory during round 7 (so way too early), I say "Congratulations team Aether" right now.


I wanted to add that I don't blame team Light for their decisions, I'm just pointing out the consequences of them.



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Re: (Aether) (Point) EvaRia 2 - (Light) kirchj33 0 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26021.msg332156#msg332156
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2011, 12:10:07 pm »
I personally think Light did the right thing, I would have done the same.

I also don't think it's team Light's current goal to win this war. They just want to finish as high as possible. If that means handing Aether a win and winning your match vs team Life/Death/Water/whatever, so be it.

Just my opinion ;)
Who cares if you are second. You are the first loser. If they are hoping that delaying their survival can give them victory, I would like them to look at War#2 standings. Once the leader passes a certain point, he is basically unstoppable. Look at round 8. My team actually grew at that point with a score of 8-1. And after that the advantage is ridiculous.

I can confess, that Team Air from the previous war has made a sweet deck that could have defeated all 11 of our decks except the pandemonium deck that was our only counter, but even then the sheer deck advantage would eventually give us the RNG victory.

That is why I placed high hopes of braking Aether's point. Looking at the standings right now I can see what will happen next. Aether will win unless something very weird happens. Especially with the almost non-random seeds. Higurashi has proven that she can lead a team perfectly and I don't see what kind of disaster can turn the tables now.
Just like I was bragging about my victory during round 7 (so way too early), I say "Congratulations team Aether" right now.


I wanted to add that I don't blame team Light for their decisions, I'm just pointing out the consequences of them.
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Re: (Aether) (Point) EvaRia 2 - (Light) kirchj33 0 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26021.msg332166#msg332166
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2011, 12:34:29 pm »
agree with RR. There are only 1 or 2 games separating  :aether :water :fire, a lot can happen over the next couple rounds

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Re: (Aether) (Point) EvaRia 2 - (Light) kirchj33 0 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26021.msg332259#msg332259
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2011, 03:57:39 pm »
I personally think Light did the right thing, I would have done the same.

I also don't think it's team Light's current goal to win this war. They just want to finish as high as possible. If that means handing Aether a win and winning your match vs team Life/Death/Water/whatever, so be it.

Just my opinion ;)
i don't agree we never suicided, last war we had to field weaker decks but always something wich'd make a fight with a chance to win because i really don't like suicide!
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Re: (Aether) (Point) EvaRia 2 - (Light) kirchj33 0 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26021.msg332307#msg332307
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2011, 05:48:16 pm »
i don't agree we never suicided, last war we had to field weaker decks but always something wich'd make a fight with a chance to win because i really don't like suicide!
We won with a suicide deck both in War #1 and #2. Nothing like a good kamikaze strike ;)

 

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