(Entropy) Sir Valimont 2 - 0 Klaymore (Air)

[Kuross]

Simple way of looking at this situation: No screen shot exists that shows either one had a clear victory. SV took none and Klay has one that beat the AI. Therefore a simple answer can be concluded- no clear winner and thus a rematch of the second round. I know the Warmaster has the final say, but I think it's safe to say round 2 will be rematched followed by a potential round 3.

And for the record, perhaps screen shot every iffy match ending or desync would be a good idea? I do it whenever something like this happens so situations like this that follow can be avoided. Might be best to do that immediately rather than much later.

[hrmmm]

klaymores screen shows 2 things:
no timer
he is still alive a few turns later

a screenshot whitout timer = playing vs. a.i.
there are two posibillities to reach that: 1. desync 2. opponent left

real sportmanship would be, to just get over it and rematch (like lots of other war players allready did in situations like this).

anyways, the warmaster will have the last word in this case.

[10 men]

Ok, when I go through the possible scenarios, I don't really understand how the AI refusing to play a deflag could have had any influence on the match, assuming the desync took place exactly one turn before SV's victory.
So, questions for the two players:
Are you sure the desync ocurred one turn before SV's presumable victory?
For Sir Valimont: The turn you won, did you actually press spacebar and get the winner's screen? Or did you see your attack was lethal and left? Because when the attack leaves the opponent on 1 life, it sometimes looks like you kill him that turn if you don't look very carefully..
For Klaymore: This is a chatlog of ElementsChat of when the incident occurred.
[15:13:01] Sir Valimont: this matchup is about me getting unlucky I assure you
[15:13:37] Acsabi44: 1-1 ?
[15:13:46] klaymore: no
[15:14:40] Sir Valimont: phew
[15:14:50] Sir Valimont: klaymore: you needed as many bonds as possible to win
[15:14:58] Sir Valimont: that game I picked voodoo only 20 cards into deck
[15:14:59] klaymore: I know : O
[15:15:02] Sir Valimont: good match
[15:15:10] Sir Valimont: well your strategy was good then
[15:15:33] klaymore: well this round is not over is it?
[15:15:49] klaymore: I see you desyncing ..?
[15:16:16] klaymore: Valimont ?
[15:16:22] ddevans96z: screenshot?
[15:17:17] klaymore: lol I'm not sure how to take one how do I do that?
[15:17:35] Acsabi44: by the prontscreen button on your computer
[15:17:44] Acsabi44: *printscreen
[15:18:20] Acsabi44: then open an MSPaint or something
[15:18:26] Acsabi44: and paste the screenshot then save it.
[15:18:50] Acsabi44: upload it on imagehost then copy the link here.
[15:21:57] Thatnewguy: SV posted the win
[15:22:26] Theonlyrealbeef: hey 9270984, hrmmm, wolfunit (sneaky lurkers )
[15:22:35] Sir Valimont: oh holy crap
[15:22:39] Sir Valimont: I'm sorry I just saw this
[15:22:49] Sir Valimont: is there a problem ?
[15:22:53] Sir Valimont: I was in the other window
[15:23:00] Sir Valimont: Did it desync for you before victory ?
[15:23:03] Acsabi44: klaymore is posting some screenie
[15:23:14] klaymore: well our last match I saw you desync
[15:23:17] Sir Valimont: what's the problem now ?
[15:23:27] Sir Valimont: oh ?
[15:23:31] Sir Valimont: on the last turn ?
[15:23:36] klaymore: yeah then i kinda won against AI...
[15:23:40] klaymore: yea
[15:23:50] klaymore: i'll post the screenie right away..
[15:23:56] Acsabi44: post that screenie then, klaymoreWhy did you keep playing against the AI despite the warmaster asking for a screenshot and one member immediately posting instructions how to do it?
General question: Is it possible that a bug caused SV to see his win while Klaymore saw himself surviving? I mean you never know with those stupid Voodoo Dolls, right?

[truddy02]

If there is a desync or disagreement as to who won or would have won it is a replay.  This is quite clear in the rules.  Sir Valimont has shown no proof that he won or would have won.  Klaymore is not trying to claim the win.  He doesn't even have to show proof unless he is trying to claim a win.  He showed what he had to provide more information.  I'm not sure if the warmaster has made a final ruling or not, but I think he will call it a rematch. 

Klaymore, no need to argue anymore with Sir Valimont.  You have the rules on your side and you have provided what you have.  Sir Valimont clearly just wants an argument so don't give it to him.  In the end this will be sorted out by the warmaster.

[ddevans96]

Alright. I have thought about this and I have made a final decision.

Sir Valimont claimed a victory before listening fully to the other side of the story. Klaymore posted a screenshot showing he could have won the match and Sir Valimont had no evidence he would have won the match. The second game was a textbook replay. If one player can defeat the AI, and the other player cannot provide clear proof that he won, you cannot really claim your win.

Klaymore's screenshot proves that this was not a clear win and there is valid reason for a rematch. Therefore, this match will continue at Sir Valimont 1-0 Klaymore, keeping the results of the first game.

[Klaymore]

To answer you question 10 men: I red somewhere on the forum that screenshots should be taken of the turn in which you defeat your opponent. That is why I played those few turns till I am in that position where pressing spacebar = win. I realize now that it would have been better to take another one earlier and I will do that next time something like that happens.


Edit after Warmaster decision:
I have work to do but I will be waiting in the Chat room tonight in case SV reconects for the rematch.

I have little intention of having to rematch

Will your displaced self-esteem make you forfeit that match?

[Zeru]

Will your displaced self-esteem make you forfeit that match?

Instead of insulting my player, you should forfeit the match. I don't see how an AI can use voodoo properly.

[xdude]

Will your displaced self-esteem make you forfeit that match?

Instead of insulting my player, you should forfeit the match. I don't see how an AI can use voodoo properly.

Whatever SV would've done at that point was highly irrelevant. Klay would've healed back exactly all the damage caused by hitting the Doll with the Bonds, and the Hope would've blocked all of the Dragons damage. Seeing he DID manage to survive and play a Hope, I think you should be happy with the 1-0 score; frankly, had the desync not happen, it would've been 1-1 (that is IF SV's AI actually Deflaged the Bond and Klaymore survived.

[Nyma]

So I have a question regarding this entire affair:

 Why didn't klaymore say right after the battle, in chat, that the win was contested instead of waiting to do this on the forums?

I wasn't there, I didn't watch the matches, and I don't know klaymore. I'm not even trying to really a take a side, but if there was a dispute about the match it should have been brought up asap so this could have been fixed earlier with less drama.

Honestly, waiting to post stuff like this on the forums seems really shady especially when the screen shot is from a game where the two competitors disconnected from each other.

[ddevans96]

Why didn't klaymore say right after the battle, in chat, that the win was contested instead of waiting to do this on the forums?

He did say right after the battle, but he didn't take the screenshot.

[Nyma]

Why didn't klaymore say right after the battle, in chat, that the win was contested instead of waiting to do this on the forums?

He did say right after the battle, but he didn't take the screenshot.

Oh, I see, in that case the duel ought to be replayed. In my opinion, any duel contested in this manner should be but that's not the opinion of most of the forum.

 If Vali really would have won 2-0 then his deck is clearly able to do it again and in the future taking screen shots of all wins is the best solution. But I am not Vali and I can't say what he'll do.

edit: although I see why he wouldn't want to, failing to take a screenshot at the desync really gives credit to vali's argument, no one knows but those two what the field was like at the desync and we all know that ai plays poorly.

[Klaymore]

I will repeat myself so it is clear to everyone: when the desync happened I WAS in a 'bad' situation by which I mean that SV had lowered me to very few hp. I never contested that and my screenshot purpose was not to prove that I never lost those hp.

The screenshot only show that I was not killed and the AI plays does not change anything to that.

Deflag bond only changes the hp I regain on my turn, not what SV inflicts me at his. (moreover deflag was used on bond, you can see that I still have the blocked Owl Eye on the screenie)
the AI did not have to play / buff / missuse the Doll since it was already in play and buffed long ago.

Nyma: I did say on the chat that I did not see the game ending by SV 's win which is contesting his win, I had no other choice than to tell it on the forum since he posted very quickly after the match.

Zeru: I did not mean to be insulting: YOUR player has expressed his lack of intention to play rematch and if I am not wrong: refusing to play = forfeit... How is that insulting to ask if that is still his final decision?