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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2016, 08:34:41 pm »
Since a bug in the vault tool prevented the detection of the illegal deck I think it's fair to let entropy walk away without a penalty on top of the loss.

WMs should fix that asap too.

without a penalty = no discards for loss? just wanna clear it up before i respond~
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2016, 08:43:58 pm »
Since a bug in the vault tool prevented the detection of the illegal deck I think it's fair to let entropy walk away without a penalty on top of the loss.

WMs should fix that asap too.

without a penalty = no discards for loss? just wanna clear it up before i respond~

only the discards from the loss, not discards + illegal deck penalty, in other words treat it like a suicide.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2016, 08:46:47 pm »
illegal decks, it happens a lot full time in tournaments, events, wc and war. sometimes we forgot of some details is human...
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2016, 08:47:20 pm »
Since a bug in the vault tool prevented the detection of the illegal deck I think it's fair to let entropy walk away without a penalty on top of the loss.

WMs should fix that asap too.

without a penalty = no discards for loss? just wanna clear it up before i respond~

only the discards from the loss, not discards + illegal deck penalty, in other words treat it like a suicide.
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2016, 08:58:42 pm »
Since a bug in the vault tool prevented the detection of the illegal deck I think it's fair to let entropy walk away without a penalty on top of the loss.

WMs should fix that asap too.

without a penalty = no discards for loss? just wanna clear it up before i respond~

only the discards from the loss, not discards + illegal deck penalty, in other words treat it like a suicide.

I never knew there was a penalty for illegal deck....if there is, then yh, only the discards for loss nothing more ^^
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2016, 11:57:45 pm »
Entropy had an illegal deck, thus this is being ruled a :darkness 3 - 0 :entropy


As the WMs missed catching the illegal deck both with the Gdocs and manual check, we will be ruling it half discards (7 from deck, 3 from vault) due to our mistake.

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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2016, 12:05:29 am »
I'm really sorry about this - the vault tools were my responsibility, but without CuCN around to explain the way things work (he wrote the tools, I simply modified them as best as I could for this War), I came into managing them completely blind.

mathman and I have been doing everything we can to make sure everything runs smoothly from a technical standpoint, but neither of us are anywhere close to CuCN's level of gdoc knowledge. Despite putting extensive time into familiarizing ourselves with the tools before War started, we're still learning all the different ways the sheets work too (read: trying to keep our heads above water) and sometimes our lack of expertise leads to things like this.

My personal apologies to Entropy, and everyone else involved in War. The vault tool is designed to check decks as they're being built, but in this case (and in several others) it has failed to do so, due to my own inexperience. I hope you can all understand.

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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2016, 12:07:38 am »
at least it should be easy to patch, now that the problem was spotted
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2016, 12:10:10 am »
Why half discards, when Earth received 0 discards for a very similar issue? I am confused.

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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2016, 12:10:43 am »
Yes, why half discards? It should be full discards.
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2016, 12:11:40 am »
Why half discards, when Earth received 0 discards for a very similar issue? I am confused.
Because I didn't specifically request deck checking.

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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2016, 12:13:16 am »
Why half discards, when Earth received 0 discards for a very similar issue? I am confused.
Because I didn't specifically request deck checking.
Oh, hm, math's post implied that in a way, sinc ehe mentioned manual check. Still, I don't agree with half discards.

 

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