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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3-0 blrawen (Aether Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63145.msg1246715#msg1246715
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2016, 10:46:15 pm »
Yes, actually. Hain and I discussed many wars ago the possibility of joining gravy trials and leading gravity to a war win and showing everyone that gravity isn't weak. Light almost (should have) won a shardless war also.

The idea that only top 4 elements can win shardless wars is absurd.

:aether and :fire are somes of these. What are the others ?
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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3-0 blrawen (Aether Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63145.msg1246717#msg1246717
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2016, 10:47:19 pm »
No point participating in a war not designed for you to win? Makes sense

I take pride in being able to come up with a counter for any deck that teams could send to us. The only way to beat this deck and its variation in a bo5 is by RNG. I made a handful of decks that were 50/50 vs monoair sofree, but there are no counters for [INSERT NON-AIR ELEMENT HERE] against this deck.

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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3-0 blrawen (Aether Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63145.msg1246718#msg1246718
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2016, 10:48:07 pm »
Can :air even counter this deck with more than 60% winrate?

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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3-0 blrawen (Aether Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63145.msg1246726#msg1246726
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2016, 12:15:08 am »
The old counter to SoFree was to just be faster. But I can see how that becomes more and more impossible with more ups :/ Faster dark domins still prolly have a chance of going over 60% I think. Ofco air's dark domin is weaker vs this since nm has a huge drawback.
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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3-0 blrawen (Aether Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63145.msg1246751#msg1246751
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2016, 04:02:53 am »
There's a very good counter Aether can build, but because it relies on off-element cards, Air will always have more opportunities to tech in counter cards. This means you need two counter decks that rely on two different cards/strats, and the second one isn't nearly as consistent.. in fact it's not even a counter. With max discards at 20, you do get to keep your counter if it gets countered, so it's not an impossible situation. Very tough though, all because the Air deck is a mono.
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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3-0 blrawen (Aether Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63145.msg1246769#msg1246769
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2016, 09:07:54 am »
No point participating in a war not designed for you to win? Makes sense

I take pride in being able to come up with a counter for any deck that teams could send to us. The only way to beat this deck and its variation in a bo5 is by RNG. I made a handful of decks that were 50/50 vs monoair sofree, but there are no counters for aether against this deck.

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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3-0 blrawen (Aether Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63145.msg1246838#msg1246838
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2016, 05:04:58 pm »

Now you know how some of the weaker elements feel playing against aether


What are you talking about? There is no aether deck that has 50% win rate or better against ALL decks from any element. Every deck aether uses can be countered by a deck from every element.

Another example, air's dark duo sideboard that they used vs aether in round 1 beats almost all aether decks, but there are only a couple decks that we have that are capable of beating it consistently. That is why air used it 4 out of the first 5 rounds last war against aether. Maybe this is how other elements feel? But even then, aether doesn't have a deck that is nearly as strong as these against other elements.

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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3-0 blrawen (Aether Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63145.msg1246962#msg1246962
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2016, 08:55:48 am »

Now you know how some of the weaker elements feel playing against aether


What are you talking about? There is no aether deck that has 50% win rate or better against ALL decks from any element. Every deck aether uses can be countered by a deck from every element.

Another example, air's dark duo sideboard that they used vs aether in round 1 beats almost all aether decks, but there are only a couple decks that we have that are capable of beating it consistently. That is why air used it 4 out of the first 5 rounds last war against aether. Maybe this is how other elements feel? But even then, aether doesn't have a deck that is nearly as strong as these against other elements.
That might be true. But playing vs :aether is never better than 50% anyways. You got 5 decks that got 50% vs almost all our decks except a selected few. Our best shot is to try to counter 2 of those, but if you bring any of the other 3 it's most likely a loss. So even if all your decks can be countered the combination of decks that all are strong and viable makes both prediction and winning very hard for many teams. In a way that is only true for aether and not any other team. There's a reason why aether didn't do worse than 4-2 in every round war 8#. // A great team and hard work was also a part of course // So playing vs :aether gives you a feeling of hopelessness I imagine you now feel vs air.
However that does not mean I agree that air should have access to to many super decks in the same way I don't think aether should have.
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Re: (Air Gen) Afdarenty 3-0 blrawen (Aether Lt) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=63145.msg1247114#msg1247114
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2016, 10:56:10 pm »
In fact  :aether have problems to beat mono sofree, but not impossible after all, but each element have another element that can be a problem when in battle, :air have problem with another elements, about :aether be 3x winner was because elements that had an advantage in fighting against failed.
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