(Life Sideboard) Manuel 3 - 2 DoctorC (Darkness Upgrades)

[Zawadx]

from my experience, WM say :

both won? replay. nobody cares about AI misplay.

I say that if you can prove through screenshots that one site would win barring AI misplay, then they get the win. But here it seems that we had a normal dc with wins on both sides (not confirmed if that screenshot is for the specific game, but Darkness would need another screenshot to contest). Results remain as they were.

[Odii Odsen]

from my experience, WM say :

both won? replay. nobody cares about AI misplay.

This is not true. There were several matches in the past that were decided by WMs in such situations. Anyways, that was not my intention to claim a win after the match happened. I was just wondering what happened in game 3 during the desynch. Isn't it legit to ask? 

Thanks for the screenie. Will have a look at it later at home. That was actually everything I wanted

[Physsion]

i don't really think he was able to do something even with unborrowed shriekers, the desynch wasn't in early game, didn't see any gp from him after the desynch

we are talking about a match i lost in the end, after i gave to my opponent 2 wins without asking screenshots

This is our screenshot of game 3, posted by DoctorC in our team chat.

As Odii said, Doc is inexperienced in PvP, and did not know the process for claiming the win to AI fault at the time. He only agreed to the replay for lack of knowledge of a better alternative. Odii and I were away from our computers/asleep during the match, so post-match is our only opportunity to sort this out.

The winning screenshot provided by Life itself is showing clear evidence of AI misplay, halving its Shrieker damage and burning quanta on Steals on two pillars, preventing itself from playing any Gargoyles it drew in the four missing turns between these screenshots.

We claim that this game did not need to be replayed, that it should be ruled as a win for Darkness due to AI fault, and that the result should be overturned to 3-1 in Darkness' favour given the results of the rest of the match. Would like to hear WM input on this given our own evidence provided.

[worldwideweb3]

btw, for future purposes, its better to screenie turn by turn to give a clear picture. Like, what happened with the staffs on Manu's end?

[Aves]

The quanta on both sides shows evidence of 1 GForce used. The screenshot is a few turns later, so it's possible that one staff wasn't drawn while the other was killed. Is there a situation where AI wouldn't play the staff and adrenaline it, though? Since that would be a clear misplay on that AI's part too.

[Odii Odsen]

The quanta on both sides shows evidence of 1 GForce used. The screenshot is a few turns later, so it's possible that one staff wasn't drawn while the other was killed. Is there a situation where AI wouldn't play the staff and adrenaline it, though? Since that would be a clear misplay on that AI's part too.

That was my point. I just wanted to understand what happened in this game. a) both ai's failed and a replay was needed or b) the GPull would decide the match before a second adrenalined staff could be played.

[Physsion]

The quanta on both sides shows evidence of 1 GForce used. The screenshot is a few turns later, so it's possible that one staff wasn't drawn while the other was killed. Is there a situation where AI wouldn't play the staff and adrenaline it, though? Since that would be a clear misplay on that AI's part too.

I don't believe there's any situation where the AI won't play a Staff + AW + Adrenaline if it has the opportunity (it clearly has the quanta available) except possibly during SoSac.

All 3 Steals are present in DoctorC's hand, showing there was no fault with the AI playing a staff without the AW at the same time.

[Aves]

Iirc AI always has a chance of holding in cards even if it does have the quanta to play them.

What's interesting to me is that there's no green nymph in the pov. Was the GForce used before or after the dc?

Edit: Also, a screenshot of the dc-ing turn would be very helpful, to see where both sides started.

[iancudorinmarian]

This is why I stream my matches...

[Odii Odsen]

Maybe a question Manuel can answer to: Do you remember on what creature our Ai played the GPull? Was it on the Green Nymph maybe?

[Physsion]

Iirc AI always has a chance of holding in cards even if it does have the quanta to play them.

What's interesting to me is that there's no green nymph in the pov. Was the GForce used before or after the dc?

Edit: Also, a screenshot of the dc-ing turn would be very helpful, to see where both sides started.

It seems very likely that the AI did use a GForce on the Green Nymph, and the Staves were drawn afterwards (given the lack of damage due to burrowed Shriekers) but only Manuel can answer this.

EDIT: thinking about it some more, given the board states shown in both screenshots, I don't see any other possible series of events where this could occur other than a GForce being used on a Nymph rather than being held for a Staff.

[Zawadx]

didn't see any gp from him after the desynch

This really doesn't match up with what we see. Could both parties please provide a screenshot at the time of dc? And a description of the sequence of draws afterwards would be nice. So both parties should send any information they have, screenshots or description of events, to me.

I will simply state this from the rules:

Whether one player would have clearly won is decided strictly, and providing more information makes it more likely that an accurate ruling will occur.

Thank you.