[Fire] Hyroen 2 -1 [Master of Entropy] Zeru

[Hyroen]

Scary matchup and matches, good games Zeru.

Zeru: "Lottery matchup", Hyroen: "Ragingly entropic"

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It was tempting to play my pillars that came to hand, because with pendulums, extra just wasn't cutting it. Neurotoxin actually made me think. Thank you Farenheits.

[lava golem]

1 hour into the duel phase and alreay a win nice job Hyroen

[jmdt]

Great job hyroen.

The deck me and mojafa made actually worked.

[Zeru]

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This matchup was probably one of the most luck based ever. If I get a discord before he plays wings, I win. Otherwise, he does. Probability was on my side. Luck was not.

Round 1 - defeated him with 49 hp left.
Round 2 - this was very painful. I had a discord ready in the same round as he played wings. He won by a coin toss. I couldn't do anything to win this.
Round 3 - good start but no discord in hand. I did have 2 dune scorpion out pretty fast though. The match ended with him having 17 hp left. He didn't have to bolt me. The game was his without it.


Good games. Who cannot love random battles?

[Sir Valimont]

Great job hyroen.

The deck me and mojafa made actually worked.

It had no business working unless your plan was to get lucky. That deck is 30% to win against ours by my estimation. It auto-loses if Discord comes out first, or if Wings aren't drawn, or if Fahrenheit is too late, or if not enough quanta is drawn. Hyroen got lucky ... too bad for us that it happened in Round 3.

EDIT to add: a 30% win ratio translates to 21.6% likely to win a best-of-3.

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.......wow. Xinef used an EXACTLY the same discord/chaos dune scorps deck.

What did you two do, telepathy or something?

[jmdt]

Great job hyroen.

The deck me and mojafa made actually worked.

It had no business working unless your plan was to get lucky. That deck is 30% to win against ours by my estimation. It auto-loses if Discord comes out first, or if Wings aren't drawn, or if Fahrenheit is too late, or if not enough quanta is drawn. Hyroen got lucky ... too bad for us that it happened in Round 3.

It's not THAT luck based.  It was a calculated risk, but it payed off.

[Sir Valimont]

It's not THAT luck based.  It was a calculated risk, but it payed off.

It's not luck based as deck design goes -- it's just that the only possible way to beat our Scorpion deck with it is to get very lucky. Right off the bat, it's simply impossible to win if Discord comes out before Wings, which it does a majority of the time. Let's examine:

You have 9 pendulums out of 32 cards in your deck, and Wings costs 4 Air Quanta.

We have 10 pendulums out of 30 cards in our deck, and Discord costs 3 Entropy Quanta.

Hyroen picked 3 pendulums and Wings both of the later games and Zeru did not get Discord out in time both games. Hyroen also got Fahrenheit early both games.

It's quite easy to lose with your deck in many other ways also, none of which happened: Not drawing enough quanta early, not drawing enough Wings, not drawing Fahrenheit are all ways you could lose. We usually run tests on lots of decks in our deckbuilding and strategy sessions; we will probably run your deck against ours several times to see what the win% is more exactly.

It's definitely frustrating to lose 24 cards including some that we need when we designed and chose the right deck to win. I guess that's just the way it goes. Luckily we have cards to spare.

[Malduk]

I watched just a first game and thought Zeru has this matchup in the bag. GGs.

It's definitely frustrating to lose 24 cards including some that we need when we designed and chose the right deck to win. I guess that's just the way it goes. Luckily we have cards to spare.

You need to discard 18 this round, not 24, or are you counting those 6 you'd salvage there too? 

[Sir Valimont]

You need to discard 18 this round, not 24, or are you counting those 6 you'd salvage there too? 

Yes, and since we consider Fire one of our toughest opponents it's really more like a 48-card loss on bad luck.

[SteppingStone81]

It's not luck based as deck design goes -- it's just that the only possible way to beat our Scorpion deck with it is to get very lucky. Right off the bat, it's simply impossible to win if Discord comes out before Wings, which it does a majority of the time. Let's examine:

You have 9 pendulums out of 32 cards in your deck, and Wings costs 4 Air Quanta.

We have 10 pendulums out of 30 cards in our deck, and Discord costs 3 Entropy Quanta.

Your logic is very flawed.  The Fire deck had an Air mark; your deck did not have an Entropy mark.  Your deck should lose this matchup 60% of time.

Think about the timing of quanta flow from pendula.

The fire deck needed to draw 2 pendula by its second turn in order to play a turn 3 wings.The entropy deck needed to draw 3 entropy pendula on its first turn in order to play a turn 2 discord, or else it could not get discord out until turn 4.

Fun game to watch though!

[Sir Valimont]

Your logic is very flawed.  The Fire deck had an Air mark; your deck did not have an Entropy mark.  Your deck should lose this matchup 60% of time.

This is utter nonsense. I will post testing results for your benefit later on.

No reason to turn this into an argument, anyone can clearly see Hyroen got lucky, but that's part of the game. Congratulations to team Fire.