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(earth gen.) theelkspeaks 0-0 sumtwig07 (Aether tinkerer) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59982.msg1209789#msg1209789
« on: October 11, 2015, 09:47:28 pm »
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Re: (earth gen.) theelkspeaks 0-0 sumtwig07 (Aether tinkerer) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59982.msg1209796#msg1209796
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2015, 10:28:25 pm »
Spike and me tested those match up.

Earth won 3-2.


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Re: (earth gen.) theelkspeaks 0-0 sumtwig07 (Aether tinkerer) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59982.msg1209812#msg1209812
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2015, 12:10:10 am »
Did you use BBs aggressively on steel golems as soon as they are played? That's how you win this matchup, and our tests show that line of play increased the win rate to 70%. Gravity shield is a kink in the plans of course, but it's 1 card in 34 cards.

I'm sad this never happened tho. Even if Earth won, it would've been a nice boost for them.

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2015, 01:17:24 am »
Did you use BBs aggressively on steel golems as soon as they are played? That's how you win this matchup, and our tests show that line of play increased the win rate to 70%. Gravity shield is a kink in the plans of course, but it's 1 card in 34 cards.

If I used BBs like that the result probably would be 3-1.
My screenshots show that he won game 1 because of two BB. Game 3 was too fast. And game 5 because of gravy shield.
In Game 4 Spike had a really bad draw. Thats why I won that game.

In all matches I needed more earth quanta. I was lucky that I got at least 1 of 2 stone pillars in my starting hand.
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Re: (earth gen.) theelkspeaks 0-0 sumtwig07 (Aether tinkerer) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59982.msg1209844#msg1209844
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2015, 05:22:57 am »
In half deck (17 cards)  :earth have 50% of  gravity shield and if 50% to win this duel
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Couldn't elk be subbed at the time?
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Re: (earth gen.) theelkspeaks 0-0 sumtwig07 (Aether tinkerer) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59982.msg1209859#msg1209859
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2015, 08:33:03 am »
Did you use BBs aggressively on steel golems as soon as they are played? That's how you win this matchup, and our tests show that line of play increased the win rate to 70%. Gravity shield is a kink in the plans of course, but it's 1 card in 34 cards.

I'm sad this never happened tho. Even if Earth won, it would've been a nice boost for them.

Aside  :gravity shield, that would have been an auto GG, :earth deck was faster. Towers allowed me to play golem soon, while pendulums for your deck meant to be always low in quanta. Moreover, auburn nymphs would have forced the opponent to play bb on them.

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lmao, that'll happen when you Fractal the Nymphs and never have enough quanta for their ability.

14 pends and off-element CC will have you sitting on 1-9 :earth and 15-25 :aether for all of the important mid-game turns (turns 5-9), so this could easily have been 3-0 in Earth's favor considering the average series of draws. Even small tweaks could put you closer to an average of 10 or more :earth mid-game, which is a huge deal considering the cost of 2 Steelies and a BB. 14 or more would be your aim if you're not using anything else from Aether (6-8 pends work well for that), and if you get there this becomes favored for Aether instead.
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Re: (earth gen.) theelkspeaks 0-0 sumtwig07 (Aether tinkerer) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59982.msg1209912#msg1209912
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2015, 03:05:19 pm »
Couldn't elk be subbed at the time?
I could have subbed his deck only if somehow my nymphs downgrade themselves.

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Re: (earth gen.) theelkspeaks 0-0 sumtwig07 (Aether tinkerer) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=59982.msg1209915#msg1209915
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2015, 03:17:54 pm »
Couldn't elk be subbed at the time?
I could have subbed his deck only if somehow my nymphs downgrade themselves.

I wasn't aware that the Earth deck had this many nymphs, which actually means that no player on Team Earth could've subbed here (unless kirby has obtained an auburn after auction). Which is why we should consider the cases where the sub rule cannot apply.

lmao, that'll happen when you Fractal the Nymphs and never have enough quanta for their ability.

14 pends and off-element CC will have you sitting on 1-9 :earth and 15-25 :aether for all of the important mid-game turns (turns 5-9), so this could easily have been 3-0 in Earth's favor considering the average series of draws. Even small tweaks could put you closer to an average of 10 or more :earth mid-game, which is a huge deal considering the cost of 2 Steelies and a BB. 14 or more would be your aim if you're not using anything else from Aether (6-8 pends work well for that), and if you get there this becomes favored for Aether instead.

That is true. I must admit we didn't sufficiently test that tinkerer mod. Thanks for the advice Higs!
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