(Earth Sld) Bripod ( black sub ) 3 - 2 UTAlan (Aether Gr)

[Submachine]

> People notice wrong score in title
> Noone notices that UTAlan's name is written wrong
> Who is UTlan?!

[Brusterix]

• I made clear on the team chat we would only claim in the case of 3-2. We would accept the loss if we lost 3-0 or 3-1 even if we had screenshots of 3 earlier matches

I remember from last war, after bad desync game(s), having lot of conversation with opponent how to proceed. Not exactly same situation, but opponent tried to give conditional replays: "if you win next, I get win from first desync game, otherwise we can ignore it", etc. I refused to continue before we decide what the situation actually is, since it was confusing and bad sportmanship. After long conversation, it was agreed I take the fair loss (not that it felt fair), since I could not tolerate the conditional bullshit and undecided scores, so there is nothing to complain afterwards. If I had continued instantly it would have ended mess similar to this. Fair play, I lost whole battle, but didn't felt bad at that point anymore, since the dispute was handled earlier, and battle report was clear. Keep clear agreements what is ignored and replayed, what is screenshotted against AI, what goes to WM, if any, etc. + good sportmanship above all!

...removed lot of writings here before even posting .. 

Should this have been reported as 3-3 by both players if Aether wanted to claim a first victory? Blacksmith played fairly from 0-0 to 3-2. They got their 5 games without desyncs, clear winners, so that is in any case good way to count scores, so there is no totally unfair ruling here. At the end of the day, whether Aether or Earth (us) gets this, I don't care. Games are games, they go as they go.

[Chapuz]

"They got their 5 games without desyncs, clear winners, so that is in any case good way to count scores"
I support  because of this and because of what Deuce said before

[Submachine]

Tournament rules were clarified to avoid drama like this. The difference is that we don't accept wins after disconnects without a screenshot, plus we made 2 different rulings for desyncs and disconnects, as they are -contrary to popular belief- NOT the same.

[UTAlan]

Blacksmith played fairly from 0-0 to 3-2. They got their 5 games without desyncs, clear winners, so that is in any case good way to count scores, so there is no totally unfair ruling here.

Just to be clear, bripod and I agreed to keep playing and get a ruling on the desyncs/disconnects later (since no WMs were online at that time).

I disagree on the ruling because there is no proof that the disconnect bug is applicable. For all we know, bripod lost against the AI and claimed disconnect bug to get a replay. (I am not accusing him of doing this, just explaining that we cannot know without a screenshot.) I get that there is not an existing rule to directly address the disconnect bug, but given the current rules, it seems that taking a screenshot is the only way to prove that you didn't play it out against the AI.

[hainkarga]

 They got their 5 games without desyncs, clear winners, so that is in any case good way to count scores, so there is no totally unfair ruling here.

They won 3 out of 8 matches. Not 3 out of 5 matches. First three matches were voided even tho we had screenshot proof and bripod had nothing. Play enough games and you will win even against a hard counter. Not to mention that we had clear draw advantage on the desync games and have screenshots for it. However WMs opted to ignore them.

When desync happened, we decided that it was our win and we had two options:
1- Stop playing until a ruling is made
2- Play it out and let the ruling be made after the matches.

Deuce told us to do the second. It is not like we got the idea of claiming win just after we lost. We already asserted (to deuce) that we are claiming the win before playing any games VS blacksmith. And because UTAlan believes bripod had no chance and has screenshots. It is just the WMs giving bripod benefit of the doubt instead of giving it to UTAlan regardless of screenshots.

Apparently it was my mistake to listen to deuce, be nice and play the matches out. Now people just care about the played games. I should have just stopped the games and call for a ruling.

[iancudorinmarian]

Tournament rules were clarified to avoid drama like this. The difference is that we don't accept wins after disconnects without a screenshot, plus we made 2 different rulings for desyncs and disconnects, as they are -contrary to popular belief- NOT the same.

desynch=server fail
disconnect=internet fail

Right?

 They got their 5 games without desyncs, clear winners, so that is in any case good way to count scores, so there is no totally unfair ruling here.

They won 3 out of 8 matches. Not 3 out of 5 matches. First three matches were voided even tho we had screenshot proof and bripod had nothing. Play enough games and you will win even against a hard counter. Not to mention that we had clear draw advantage on the desync games and have screenshots for it. However WMs opted to ignore them.

When desync happened, we decided that it was our win and we had two options:
1- Stop playing until a ruling is made
2- Play it out and let the ruling be made after the matches.

Deuce told us to do the second. It is not like we got the idea of claiming win just after we lost. We already asserted (to deuce) that we are claiming the win before playing any games VS blacksmith. And because UTAlan believes bripod had no chance and has screenshots. It is just the WMs giving bripod benefit of the doubt instead of giving it to UTAlan regardless of screenshots.

Apparently it was my mistake to listen to deuce, be nice and play the matches out. Now people just care about the played games. I should have just stopped the games and call for a ruling.

I have an idea: Why not just replay the match? If warmasters agree with this, of course.

In my opinion, both sides are right. They played their match from 0-0, that's right, but pretty much won the first "match" and won the second "match". It's 1-1, so I think another match has to happen, the final one.

[theelkspeaks]

Relatedly, if the "you are going to lose in X seconds" message pops up, you can prevent losing by ending your turn before the timer runs out.  If it pops up for you during your opponent's turn however, you're out of luck.  Just a helpful tip I've learned by experience.

[deuce22]

@UT, you are correct. Unfortunately nothing in the rules required bripod to take certain screenshots for this situation, so we cannot grant you the win for that match based on lack of screenshots. Desync/disconnect rules will be addended requiring specific screenshots and appropriate communication between players to prevent this situation from happening again.

@hain, just because one player has an advantage at 1 moment of the game does not indicate that player is going to win. If you had waited for an official ruling on the game that was appealed, the outcome would not have been any different. I have no idea what you are complaining about now. If a single game is in question, there is little point in not playing the rest of the match out while you still can. More often than not, the outcome is not changed by that 1 game. As you previously said, if there was any other outcome besides 3-2, then you wouldn't be complaining. Your appeal was thoroughly examined after the match was completed, and rejected because not enough evidence.

This ruling is final. If team aether has any other issues, please address them via PMs to the WMs.

[hainkarga]

Thanks for reviewing the match. Good luck to team earth in future rounds.

[Submachine]

Noting that title still says UTlan instead of UTAlan. >_>

[deuce22]

Noting that title still says UTlan instead of UTAlan. >_>

That was fixed a while ago