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Re: Why do you believe in god? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44669.msg1015476#msg1015476
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2012, 01:40:08 am »
Why would there have necessarily been an infinite amount of time before the creation of the universe?  I do not understand this part of your argument.
I am under the assumption that time has no beginning; it has been around forever. If this is true, there would be an infinite amount of time before any one event, such as the creation of the only universe.

I believe my assumption is correct because I don't see how time can have a specific beginning. How could something cause the creation of time if there was no time during which that action could take place?
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Re: Why do you believe in god? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44669.msg1015489#msg1015489
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2012, 02:25:53 am »
I believe my assumption is correct because I don't see how time can have a specific beginning. How could something cause the creation of time if there was no time during which that action could take place?

This is where the belief in a God or several gods come into play. In believing that there was a specific beginning to time, than something must have set it into motion. For people like me, that would be God. A God is a divine being that can ignore normal physics and theories. I have a personal mix of Catholicism and a firm belief in scientific studies. If the Big Bang Theory, among other things, is true, as I believe, then it can be reasonable to some that a God had set this is motion. I am a 5 on the original scale, because some of the Bible to me is sketchy.
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Re: Why do you believe in god? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44669.msg1015495#msg1015495
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2012, 02:39:44 am »
And to what extent?
From 1-10, 1 is you just believe in god, and it doesn't really have to be the exact Christian god. You just believe in a godly figure.
10 is you believe the bible word for word.

I just don't understand why people believe in god.
Woah woah woah. Believing in god and believing the bible is literal is 2 COMPLETELY different things. I'd say a 10 for believing in god, I am 100% sure he exists in my beliefs, but that does not mean I follow the bible 100%
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Re: Why do you believe in god? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44669.msg1015500#msg1015500
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2012, 02:55:58 am »
I Believe in God because I can't look at a bacterium or other "simple" life forms and say that happened by chance, I believe there had to be an intelligent designer.

Well, biology ang its central conception -- evolution -- is not a 'chance'. Google 'Non-equlibrium Thermodynamics' to learn how matter organises itself and how the complexity arises. Also, google some biology textbooks. Or watch this video on bacterial flagellum:


The video is an excerpt from Ken Miller' lecture. He is a biologist and a christian, debunking creationists BS.

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Re: Why do you believe in god? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44669.msg1015501#msg1015501
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2012, 03:08:00 am »
I think that biologists only give facts that support their ideas so I don't fully trust that video, but I'm no biologist and I don't know enough to provide a decent counter argument, so I'm going to back out of this debate for the time being.
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Re: Why do you believe in god? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44669.msg1015523#msg1015523
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2012, 04:21:07 am »
I think that biologists only give facts that support their ideas so I don't fully trust that video, but I'm no biologist and I don't know enough to provide a decent counter argument, so I'm going to back out of this debate for the time being.

Sure, there is a tremendous anti-god conspiracy of evil satanic biologists  ;D That's why they give only facts that support their ideas. Just like astronomers who don't give facts on the flat Earth. Damn godless conspirators!

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Re: Why do you believe in god? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44669.msg1015610#msg1015610
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2012, 05:29:54 pm »
Why are you interested in the Christian God? If someone believes strongly in Zeus what would they put for your scale?
1? No, that is barely believe in a god.
10? No, that is disbelieving Zeus.

What is you actual question?
Well, about 85% of the US is Christoan. Also, I was implying the Christian god. Lol
So your actual question is "Why do Christians believe in the Christian god?".

You will find most arguments on religion boil down to a miscommunication. You might be implying Christian god when you say god but many would infer that you merely meant a god.
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Re: Why do you believe in god? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44669.msg1015611#msg1015611
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2012, 05:32:19 pm »
Cuz nobody can ever win a debate on religion. Atheist claim that religious peoples' stories aren't true, but they can't prove that. And then the religious people insist on their story, and they can't prove it right either. lolol i'd say it's stupid to get in a fight about religion

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Re: Why do you believe in god? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44669.msg1015614#msg1015614
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2012, 05:46:38 pm »
Cuz nobody can ever win a debate on religion. Atheist claim that religious peoples' stories aren't true, but they can't prove that. And then the religious people insist on their story, and they can't prove it right either. lolol i'd say it's stupid to get in a fight about religion
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Re: Why do you believe in god? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44669.msg1015621#msg1015621
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2012, 06:01:46 pm »
Cuz nobody can ever win a debate on religion. Atheist claim that religious peoples' stories aren't true, but they can't prove that. And then the religious people insist on their story, and they can't prove it right either. lolol i'd say it's stupid to get in a fight about religion
Everyone that enters debate with the primary goal of winning has already lost. Argumentation, discussion and debate are great tools for examining topics provided the primary goal is to leave with the right answer, not to make your answer win.
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Re: Why do you believe in god? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44669.msg1015629#msg1015629
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2012, 06:43:31 pm »
Cuz nobody can ever win a debate on religion. Atheist claim that religious peoples' stories aren't true, but they can't prove that. And then the religious people insist on their story, and they can't prove it right either. lolol i'd say it's stupid to get in a fight about religion

Well, first of all, the burden of proof is on those who claim the existense of a diety, not on atheists, who reject those unsupported claims.

Second, actually, science has already disproved some bullshit, such as 'flood', 'creation', 'young Earth', 'Sun circling around Earth' and so on.

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Re: Why do you believe in god? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44669.msg1015632#msg1015632
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2012, 06:52:16 pm »
I believe in god because i dont thing so many random things happened that life existed, that humans existed. There are so many fascinating things, I dont think it existed by its own. Im a muslim btw, and I believe 10/10.

 

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