Why do you believe in god?

[mrezman]

And to what extent?
From 1-10, 1 is you just believe in god, and it doesn't really have to be the exact Christian god. You just believe in a godly figure.
10 is you believe the bible word for word.

I just don't understand why people believe in god.

[OldTrees]

Why are you interested in the Christian God? If someone believes strongly in Zeus what would they put for your scale?
1? No, that is barely believe in a god.
10? No, that is disbelieving Zeus.

What is you actual question?

[mrezman]

Why are you interested in the Christian God? If someone believes strongly in Zeus what would they put for your scale?
1? No, that is barely believe in a god.
10? No, that is disbelieving Zeus.

What is you actual question?

Well, about 85% of the US is Christoan. Also, I was implying the Christian god. Lol

[OldTrees]

Why are you interested in the Christian God? If someone believes strongly in Zeus what would they put for your scale?
1? No, that is barely believe in a god.
10? No, that is disbelieving Zeus.

What is you actual question?

Well, about 85% of the US is Christoan. Also, I was implying the Christian god. Lol

So your actual question is "Why do Christians believe in the Christian god?".

You will find most arguments on religion boil down to a miscommunication. You might be implying Christian god when you say god but many would infer that you merely meant a god.

[Skotadi Phobos]

I Believe in God because I can't look at a bacterium or other "simple" life forms and say that happened by chance, I believe there had to be an intelligent designer.

[Elbirn]

I think it should also be noted that belief in an intelligent designer is not the same as practicing a faith. Ex, Skotadi just said that he believe in an intelligent designer. This does not mean that he is a Christian, Muslim, or what have you. He COULD follow a religion, but he doesn't necessarily.

[Skotadi Phobos]

I think it should also be noted that belief in an intelligent designer is not the same as practicing a faith. Ex, Skotadi just said that he believe in an intelligent designer. This does not mean that he is a Christian, Muslim, or what have you. He COULD follow a religion, but he doesn't necessarily.

Exactly, and you happen to be right, I believe in the "christian" God but looking at the christian organization I can't call myself one.

[russianspy1234]

this about sums up my view

[RootRanger]

I Believe in God because I can't look at a bacterium or other "simple" life forms and say that happened by chance, I believe there had to be an intelligent designer.

So, in an extremely large (perhaps infinite) universe, there is absolutely zero chance that chemicals could combine to create a basic form of life?

It may be unlikely given a short amount of time and space, but with an infinite universe, everything with a chance of happening greater than zero does indeed happen. If the universe is infinite in mass, or if time is infinite, it's not just likely that basic forms of life would be created. It's inevitable.

And, of course, the life forms will then think "Wow, I can't believe this happened on my own planet." While, on the other planets, there is no one to observe the lack of life.

But don't be too hard on yourself. I've seen worse arguments for religion. At least you're not the guy who says "God exists because the bible says so."


To answer mrezman, Christianity is just due to misinformation or stupidity. The few Christians I've encountered that are not only open for debating but logical enough to have a conversation with me have accepted that God is unlikely; they just like the thought of it.

[Skotadi Phobos]

I Believe in God because I can't look at a bacterium or other "simple" life forms and say that happened by chance, I believe there had to be an intelligent designer.

So, in an extremely large (perhaps infinite) universe, there is absolutely zero chance that chemicals could combine to create a basic form of life?

It may be unlikely given a short amount of time and space, but with an infinite universe, everything with a chance of happening greater than zero does indeed happen. If the universe is infinite in mass, or if time is infinite, it's not just likely that basic forms of life would be created. It's inevitable.

And, of course, the life forms will then think "Wow, I can't believe this happened on my own planet." While, on the other planets, there is no one to observe the lack of life.

But don't be too hard on yourself. I've seen worse arguments for religion. At least you're not the guy who says "God exists because the bible says so."


To answer mrezman, Christianity is just due to misinformation or stupidity. The few Christians I've encountered that are not only open for debating but logical enough to have a conversation with me have accepted that God is unlikely; they just like the thought of it.

It's not an infinite amount of time though, I'm not sure on the specifics but I think they say life formed about 5 billion years ago or something, and that amount of time matched with the odds of the right chemicals coming together and forming the right proteins and such to make a life form just doesn't work for me. Sorry if the time is dead wrong, I don't feel a need pay attention to those in school.

[RootRanger]

It's not an infinite amount of time though, I'm not sure on the specifics but I think they say life formed about 5 billion years ago or something, and that amount of time matched with the odds of the right chemicals coming together and forming the right proteins and such to make a life form just doesn't work for me. Sorry if the time is dead wrong, I don't feel a need pay attention to those in school.

It's quite likely that there was a universe before this one. An infinite number of universes over an infinite amount of time, really. In order for the amount of time to be finite, not only this has to be the only universe to ever exist, but its creation must have been a finite amount of time ago. The latter is pretty much confirmed by science, but the former is the problem. If there has only ever been one universe, and it has a finite lifespan, then there was an infinite amount of time before its creation. Why would it take an infinite amount of time for a universe to be created? How can something that is possible only happen once over an infinite amount of time?

Basically, why would God wait an infinite amount of time in order to create the universe? And then, after an infinite period of thought, why would he suddenly change his mind and decide he wanted to create a universe? This is what doesn't make sense.

The more likely explanation is that universes can be created out of emptiness. Keep in mind that the law of conservation of matter, the "nothing can't create something" rule, has only been proven to apply to our universe. There is neither evidence for nor against the idea that emptiness can create matter. However, the logical conclusion, based on the argument mentioned above, is that it can.


But if you want to believe that God created the Universe but never again interfered with it and doesn't perform miracles or condemn people he doesn't like, then I have nothing against that. My main targets are Christianity and Islam.


Also, I don't intend to come off as rude or condescending. Not towards you, at least. The reason I'm responding to your posts is that they're quality posts, they just disagree with my beliefs. If they were worthless posts, or if your thoughts had blatant logical flaws, I wouldn't bother responding.

[Cheesy111]

If there has only ever been one universe, and it has a finite lifespan, then there was an infinite amount of time before its creation. Why would it take an infinite amount of time for a universe to be created?


Why would there have necessarily been an infinite amount of time before the creation of the universe?  I do not understand this part of your argument.