What do you believe?

[Bloodshadow]

Dude. There are plenty things that we know exist but have never seen (like air), we can observe their effects but we can't see it directly. It's pretty close minded to state that if we can't see it it doesn't exist (and completely bogus). After all its not like bacteria didn't exist until we built microscopes able to see them

What gave you the impression that the only way to observe something is to see it?

For air, we observed it because we felt the wind against our skin. For bacteria, we observed them when they entered our bodies and made us sick. Anything else?

Also, I happen to be an extremely narrow-minded person. I hardly ever forgive mistakes, for one thing, though most of the time I pretend to have forgiven them around others. I refuse to elaborate or answer your questions about this statement.

[OldTrees]

Dude. There are plenty things that we know exist but have never seen (like air), we can observe their effects but we can't see it directly. It's pretty close minded to state that if we can't see it it doesn't exist (and completely bogus). After all its not like bacteria didn't exist until we built microscopes able to see them

What gave you the impression that the only way to observe something is to see it?

For air, we observed it because we felt the wind against our skin. For bacteria, we observed them when they entered our bodies and made us sick. Anything else?

Also, I happen to be an extremely narrow-minded person. I hardly ever forgive mistakes, for one thing, though most of the time I pretend to have forgiven them around others. I refuse to elaborate or answer your questions about this statement.

By observation are you defining it as broadly as: I observed X if X affected me in some way. (Aka do rocks "observe"?)

[Uppercut]

4) There exists a Moral Truth (ie Right and Wrong)

How are you defining moral?

[OldTrees]

4) There exists a Moral Truth (ie Right and Wrong)

How are you defining moral?

Currently still working on that.
My solid beliefs are that such an answer exists, not that I believe the right answer.

My current answer is the bottom half of the list numbers 5-10


A more detailed answer
I believe that only negative moral duties exist. IE obligations not to do _____.
I believe that somethings are supererogatory. IE above the call of duty, the things one ought to do but does not have to do.
My current guideline is that it is morally permissible to do what you want with your time as long as that does not infringe on the rights of others (those negative moral duties).

[Uppercut]

4) There exists a Moral Truth (ie Right and Wrong)

How are you defining moral?

Currently still working on that.
My solid beliefs are that such an answer exists, not that I believe the right answer.

My current answer is the bottom half of the list numbers 5-10

Right, but morality isn't an action taken, thats ethics. I think you mean that there is an ethical right and wrong, morality is simply what you believe is good/bad/right/wrong and/or sometimes ethical.

[Bloodshadow]

By observation are you defining it as broadly as: I observed X if X affected me in some way. (Aka do rocks "observe"?)

Pretty much.

[OldTrees]

By observation are you defining it as broadly as: I observed X if X affected me in some way. (Aka do rocks "observe"?)

Pretty much.

Then is there not a better word than observe? Like maybe affect?

@Uppercut
I edited in this:

A more detailed answer
I believe that only negative moral duties exist. IE obligations not to do _____.
I believe that somethings are supererogatory. IE above the call of duty, the things one ought to do but does not have to do.
My current guideline is that it is morally permissible to do what you want with your time as long as that does not infringe on the rights of others (those negative moral duties).


Again it is ethics but I believe that morality is just the compilation of the ethical rules that it imposes.

Morality is that which dictates which actions are ethical.

[theloconate]

Dude. There are plenty things that we know exist but have never seen (like air), we can observe their effects but we can't see it directly. It's pretty close minded to state that if we can't see it it doesn't exist (and completely bogus). After all its not like bacteria didn't exist until we built microscopes able to see them

What gave you the impression that the only way to observe something is to see it?

For air, we observed it because we felt the wind against our skin. For bacteria, we observed them when they entered our bodies and made us sick. Anything else?

Also, I happen to be an extremely narrow-minded person. I hardly ever forgive mistakes, for one thing, though most of the time I pretend to have forgiven them around others. I refuse to elaborate or answer your questions about this statement.

I asked you if that was your view as seen in the quote below

If I understand you correctly, if we can't see it, it doesn't exist. Is that an accurate representation of your views on the matter?

Pretty much.

No, please don't ask me why bacteria and atoms exist if I can't see it. The truth is, we have seen bacteria and atoms, using microscopes. Everything we know, we have proven through observation and experiments.

Evidently you mean through testable observation, but I remain by the premise that there are things that exist that we currently don't have the means to test.

[Bloodshadow]

Clouds do not affect rats living in the sewer. Thus, clouds don't exist for those rats.

[theloconate]

Clouds do not affect rats living in the sewer. Thus, clouds don't exist for those rats.

Yes but you cannot get from it doesn't affect us to therefore it doesn't exist

[OldTrees]

Clouds do not affect rats living in the sewer. Thus, clouds don't exist for those rats.

Clouds affect air, air affects sewer rats.
Clouds have an insignificant gravitational pull on sewer rats

To extrapolate:
If X affects Y then X exists
All matter exerts a gravitational force on all other matter.
A force is an effect
All matter exists

[Bloodshadow]

Thou hast defeated me. I shall now make amends to my belief systems.

Hmm... Maybe you have to know that you've been affected by something for it to exist in your subjective point of view? For example, we're affected by UV radiation every day but don't know it, until some guys detected UV rays.