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Re: What do you believe? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14978.msg192790#msg192790
« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2010, 12:36:50 am »
I don't know what warm fuzzy feeling the you're referring to when you talk about "true joy" (I don't think i've ever experienced that). But i've certainly been happy in my life and so i reject your definition for the purposes of this debate.
Well, I've been happy in the past, but that was before I realized what a horrible place the world is. Right now, the only emotions I feel are fear, sorrow, anger, hate, and schadenfreude (pleasure derived from the misfortune of others). I can't remember the last time that I was truly happy.

What is joy? There are three sources of it, as far as I can think of: joy derived from personal gain; schadenfreude; and "true", selfless joy. I think the third kind of joy is being happy simply by seeing other people being happy, with no relations to yourself and your personal gain whatsoever. I don't think this third kind of joy truly exists.

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You are right, a lot of people are selfish and don't care much about others. But there are also generous people, who like to help others. Have you never seen anyone helping out someone without gaining something in return? I'd suggest you traveled somewhere else then.
Of course I've seen generous and selfless people, but those kind of people are pathetically, pitifully rare. Altruism is a weakness, and those generous people will be taken advantage of by the selfish ones. To put it simply, the world is "eat or be eaten", where the only way to survive is being selfish and constantly on-guard.
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Re: What do you believe? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14978.msg192818#msg192818
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2010, 01:02:03 am »
I don't know what warm fuzzy feeling the you're referring to when you talk about "true joy" (I don't think i've ever experienced that). But i've certainly been happy in my life and so i reject your definition for the purposes of this debate.
Well, I've been happy in the past, but that was before I realized what a horrible place the world is. Right now, the only emotions I feel are fear, sorrow, anger, hate, and schadenfreude (pleasure derived from the misfortune of others). I can't remember the last time that I was truly happy.

What is joy? There are three sources of it, as far as I can think of: joy derived from personal gain; schadenfreude; and "true", selfless joy. I think the third kind of joy is being happy simply by seeing other people being happy, with no relations to yourself and your personal gain whatsoever. I don't think this third kind of joy truly exists.
You realize it is by definition impossible to have that last type of joy by definition, because even if you do something to help and see others be happy, then you're doing that for the gain of happiness or because you think it's right. Not to mention there is no such thing as true _____ Something either is or isn't that thing which we are referring to

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Re: What do you believe? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14978.msg192857#msg192857
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2010, 01:28:23 am »
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You realize it is by definition impossible to have that last type of joy by definition, because even if you do something to help and see others be happy, then you're doing that for the gain of happiness or because you think it's right.
If you do it because you "think it's right", then you're not doing it for personal benefit.
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Re: What do you believe? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14978.msg192926#msg192926
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2010, 02:36:22 am »
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You realize it is by definition impossible to have that last type of joy by definition, because even if you do something to help and see others be happy, then you're doing that for the gain of happiness or because you think it's right.
If you do it because you "think it's right", then you're not doing it for personal benefit.
Yes you are. You're doing what you think is right because you think that doing that will improve the general state of society, improving the general state of society helps you. Not to mention the fact that many terrorists are doing what they think is right which is, according to you, "true" joy. Doesn't that contradict your incredibly emo premise?

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Re: What do you believe? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14978.msg193042#msg193042
« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2010, 05:16:11 am »
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improving the general state of society helps you
If only every humans realize this... No, most people are too stupid to know that improving the general state of the society helps them. They only care about their personal, material gain. 99% of them just want money. How many people actually care about lowering greenhouse gas emission, and things like that?
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Re: What do you believe? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14978.msg193192#msg193192
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2010, 11:58:04 am »
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improving the general state of society helps you
If only every humans realize this... No, most people are too stupid to know that improving the general state of the society helps them. They only care about their personal, material gain. 99% of them just want money. How many people actually care about lowering greenhouse gas emission, and things like that?
I do. and tons of my friends do. and you didn't respond to my other claims/arguments

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Re: What do you believe? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14978.msg193726#msg193726
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2010, 12:46:28 am »
I do. and tons of my friends do.
Are you so pompous that you'd think your little social circle can represent the entire humanity? If you're intelligent and enlightened, do not expect the rest of humanity are as intelligent and enlightened as you.

and you didn't respond to my other claims/arguments
What gave you the impression that I'm obligated to respond to whatever claim you made? Do you view yourself as some sort of authority figure, one that I must answer to if I want the right to have my individual opinion of the world?

And again, why are you trying to judge me? The purpose of this thread is for people to post their beliefs, which I did. It is obvious that you think my beliefs are wrong, but if I choose to interpret the world this way then there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. The roots of my depression traces all the way back to my childhood, so it is futile for you, a complete stranger to me, to even attempt to bring me out of my depression.

I am in a bad mood right now. I advise you to post in a friendly and non-judgmental tone from now on, otherwise your post will be interpreted as hostile. Of course, if you do not care if people think ill of you, then there is nothing I can do and no more discussion to be had.
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Re: What do you believe? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14978.msg193739#msg193739
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2010, 01:01:03 am »
I do. and tons of my friends do.
Are you so pompous that you'd think your little social circle can represent the entire humanity? If you're intelligent and enlightened, do not expect the rest of humanity are as intelligent and enlightened as you.
I could say the exact same about you and how you  say "True love doesn't exist. fml"
and you didn't respond to my other claims/arguments
What gave you the impression that I'm obligated to respond to whatever claim you made? Do you view yourself as some sort of authority figure, one that I must answer to if I want the right to have my individual opinion of the world?

And again, why are you trying to judge me? The purpose of this thread is for people to post their beliefs, which I did. It is obvious that you think my beliefs are wrong, but if I choose to interpret the world this way then there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. The roots of my depression traces all the way back to my childhood, so it is futile for you, a complete stranger to me, to even attempt to bring me out of my depression.

I am in a bad mood right now. I advise you to post in a friendly and non-judgmental tone from now on, otherwise your post will be interpreted as hostile. Of course, if you do not care if people think ill of you, then there is nothing I can do and no more discussion to be had.
I never said you had to, I simply observed the fact that you didn't. I'm not trying to judge you at all, I never judge someone by the way they appear on first impression or their internet personalities. I'm not trying to bring you out of depression. And finally i'm sorry if i come across as judgemental, I certainly wasn't trying to

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Re: What do you believe? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14978.msg194648#msg194648
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2010, 02:56:22 am »
I'm a Muslim, will write reasons later.

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Re: What do you believe? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14978.msg194657#msg194657
« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2010, 03:13:08 am »
^ I feel like muslims are hated way more then they deserve

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Re: What do you believe? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14978.msg194661#msg194661
« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2010, 03:17:54 am »
^ I feel like muslims are hated way more then they deserve
It's official, you're a liberal.

I find that Christians are starting to be "hated" on far more than deserved, much more than Muslims.
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Re: What do you believe? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14978.msg194666#msg194666
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2010, 03:26:36 am »
^ I feel like muslims are hated way more then they deserve
It's official, you're a liberal.

I find that Christians are starting to be "hated" on far more than deserved, much more than Muslims.
please tell me you're joking. Christians are allowed to build a church near an abortion center that was bombed by a christian extreamist group yet muslims can't even build a community center close to where 911 took place. The only reason why christians feel prosecuted is the same reason why a child hates their parents when they unplug the ps3. I'd like to see some evidence for your position

 

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