Was Jesus the son of God?

[airframe]

If God wanted us to go off a fact, then he would make us all believe, but he leaves it all to choice. There is plenty of evidence in the world,  the world was designed so that no one has any reason NOT to believe, but instead, we grasp at straws and try to find a way to prove everything.

Reminds me of Babelfish in Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy.

       
The Babel fish is small, yellow, leechlike, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy received not from its own carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centers of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the NON-existence of God.
The argument goes like this:
`I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.
`Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book, "Well, That about Wraps It Up for God."
Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.

 

[PhuzzY LogiK]

You also have FAITH that the bible is not true, and you CAN NOT prove that it IS NOT a fact. So you are basing the complete opposite on Faith as well. Looks like we are in the same boat here.

1.  Jesus claimed to be the son of god and the ONLY way into heaven.
2. Several others have made similar claims.
3. By your own logic, you CAN NOT prove those others wrong.
4.  Therefore, Jesus' claim was either false or a lie, as you cannot PROVE he was unique.

That's a completely absurd argument, but it's about on par with the claims you're making.  Do you even understand how history or logic work?  You seem to be mixing and matching them at will.

Also, as has been mentioned SEVERAL times over SEVERAL threads, you don't quite grasp the concept of the burden of proof.  I'm guessing my pointing it out one more time isn't going to have any impact either.

[BluePriest]

You also have FAITH that the bible is not true, and you CAN NOT prove that it IS NOT a fact. So you are basing the complete opposite on Faith as well. Looks like we are in the same boat here.

1.  Jesus claimed to be the son of god and the ONLY way into heaven.
yes he did
2. Several others have made similar claims.
Yes they have
3. By your own logic, you CAN NOT prove those others wrong.
No, I can not.4.  Therefore, Jesus' claim was either false or a lie, as you cannot PROVE he was unique.
No, i am not saying they were wrong because they cant be proven, I am saying they were wrong by faith and self convictions. Nothing more, nothing less. Just because you cant prove something, doesnt mean its not true, and it also doesnt prove its not fake.

That's a completely absurd argument, but it's about on par with the claims you're making.  Do you even understand how history or logic work?  You seem to be mixing and matching them at will.

Also, as has been mentioned SEVERAL times over SEVERAL threads, you don't quite grasp the concept of the burden of proof.  I'm guessing my pointing it out one more time isn't going to have any impact either.
And how dont I get it? It seems to me that you just seem to be misunderstanding the points im tryin to make. So tell me again, where  am I missing the burden of proof in this topic?

[Artois]

You also have FAITH that the bible is not true, and you CAN NOT prove that it IS NOT a fact. So you are basing the complete opposite on Faith as well. Looks like we are in the same boat here.

And how dont I get it? It seems to me that you just seem to be misunderstanding the points im tryin to make. So tell me again, where  am I missing the burden of proof in this topic?

Saying something doesn't exist, which has never been proved to exist, is not an act of faith.  I think this is where the burden of proof comes in...

[BluePriest]

Wow, I was just making a point. No one in this topic has to prove anything at all.in my personal view, both stances are an act of faith. Just because 1 person has the burden of proof and the other doesnt, it doesnt mean that 1 person requires faith, and the other doesnt.

[Glitch]

The resurrection of Jesus is proof of his divine ability.

...or Jesus died like everybody else.

I normally try not to post in religion threads, as my views are rather cynical, but here goes nothing.

Most religions are a paradox.  Here's why:
1) God made man with freedom of choice
2) God is all knowing
It is physically impossible for god to make man with freedom of choice, as he is all knowing and already knows what those choices are going to be.  In essence, all your decisions are predestined, based upon a decision made by god, and as such, you have no freedom of choice.

Back to your original question.  Is Jesus the son of the Christian/Catholic god?

No.

The concept of him being the son of god is yet another paradox.  Jesus walked this Earth because humanity was "doing it wrong".  They didn't understand worshipping god, they were committing evil, yadda yadda.  But god is all knowing!  When he made man, didn't he realize that man would eventually "do it wrong"?  And if he did, why didn't he make man differently?!  If Jesus is the son of god, then god on purpose made man flawed, knowing all the while thousands of years later he'd fix it.

WHY!?  Why not just make Utopia?  And you can't say he did with the Garden of Edin, as he's all knowing and knew what Eve was going to do.  The only logical conclusion is that god made us flawed because he felt like it.  And, if you pay attention to the bible, he caused several massacres, knowing they were going to happen ahead of time, but didn't bother to prevent them.  Sounds merciful to me!

If god truly made man, then he either isn't all-knowing and infallible, or Jesus isn't his son.

...and now back to avoiding religious threads.

[Artois]

Wow, I was just making a point. No one in this topic has to prove anything at all.in my personal view, both stances are an act of faith. Just because 1 person has the burden of proof and the other doesnt, it doesnt mean that 1 person requires faith, and the other doesnt.

Nope, I require no leap of faith to not believe in something that doesn't exist (until proven otherwise... or even just some good circumstantial evidence to make me think... but na-da, nothing, zero, zilch).

Do YOU require faith to believe Zeus doesn't exist?

[tyranim]

now, when you say that buddha was taken to heaven. is this in the buddhism stories, or hindu?

[Italy2]

 But god is all knowing!  When he made man, didn't he realize that man would eventually "do it wrong"?  And if he did, why didn't he make man differently?!  If Jesus is the son of god, then god on purpose made man flawed, knowing all the while thousands of years later he'd fix it.

WHY!?  Why not just make Utopia? 

There are two main arguments about this:

1) God or a divine being made a perfect world, but humans messed it up

2) God gave us free will.  He wants us to make choices.  God is not a puppeteer and we are not his puppets.  For example, if a parent told the child not to do something and the child does it, is it the parent's fault?  No, because the child chose to something that was not allowed.  The same goes with people.  A God or religion may give us rules and we have a tendency to break them.  Is that God's fault or religion's fault?  Again No...

[Selenbrant]

God??? Hmmmm, I am not allowed to use certain words.....

You really believe false pretences that were delivered 1000 and 1000000 times? Just think about it, that the world is working after certain rules that we express in physics, chemistry and so on.... If you believe in god you shouldnt even use a computer. God isnt rational, why this world is?
And hell.. dont discuss about things you neither can prove nor disprove. In addition you life now, in the 21st century, you dont know how it really was in the past... everything is just delivered and you werent present. Thus you are clueless..  Ever played chinese whispers? Yeah, really? So I expect you know what happens there.
What about: "Was "spaghetti" the son of "flying spaghetti monster"? At least this thread would be way more creative.
I can come up with much ideas of supernatural "creatures" nobody can prove. But too nobody will assume that its true, although some of these people still believe in god.

To answer the question:
God is the sum of ignorance and jesus is a tremendous name.

[Glitch]

 But god is all knowing!  When he made man, didn't he realize that man would eventually "do it wrong"?  And if he did, why didn't he make man differently?!  If Jesus is the son of god, then god on purpose made man flawed, knowing all the while thousands of years later he'd fix it.

WHY!?  Why not just make Utopia? 

There are two main arguments about this:

1) God or a divine being made a perfect world, but humans messed it up

2) God gave us free will.  He wants us to make choices.  God is not a puppeteer and we are not his puppets.  For example, if a parent told the child not to do something and the child does it, is it the parent's fault?  No, because the child chose to something that was not allowed.  The same goes with people.  A God or religion may give us rules and we have a tendency to break them.  Is that God's fault or religion's fault?  Again No...

Right, but if god made man with free will, he wasn't all knowing, and made mistakes.  I'd like to think my existence wasn't a mistake.  But he WAS all knowing, then he can't have given us free will, meaning life is predetermined and everything that happened happened because he wanted it to.

Neither of those are good options.

[thekillergame]

Why do we actually have a relegion part here??