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Problems with Judiasm/Christianity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46794.msg1041361#msg1041361
« on: February 12, 2013, 07:34:40 am »
I want to hear your guys' thoughts on problems with these religions in regard to the Babylonian captivity where Zoroastrian was introduced. Can we really say there is a Heaven/Hell? Things added/removed? Again just some ideas. There are many other areas you guys may want to touch on as well.

Also, as far as trying to argue these problems raise red flags, maybe adding the opposing view (defence) as I am very curious. :)
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Re: Problems with Judiasm/Christianity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46794.msg1224934#msg1224934
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2016, 06:07:03 pm »
If you asked a specific question, that would help me be able to answer it.

The 66 Book Protestant Bible is accepted as 100% true and God inspired in its original form in its original language. The English Bible wasn't inspired - but translated. Also - we know that we have VERY similar texts to the texts that were present thousands of years ago. Not much has changed - we have very accurate Scriptures.
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Re: Problems with Judiasm/Christianity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46794.msg1246210#msg1246210
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2016, 12:23:28 pm »
you can't prove god exsist or don't exsist

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Re: Problems with Judiasm/Christianity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46794.msg1246215#msg1246215
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2016, 12:43:50 pm »
The 66 Book Protestant Bible is accepted as 100% true and God inspired in its original form in its original language.

Is it?  I can name many people that would question that statement.

I'd also say that it depends on what you mean by "100% true".  Bible literalism is a relatively new phenomenon, and relatively rare within Christianity.  The leaders of most Christian denominations agree that much of the Bible is metaphorical or allegorical in nature.

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Re: Problems with Judiasm/Christianity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46794.msg1246219#msg1246219
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2016, 12:48:38 pm »
you can't prove god exsist or don't exsist

No, you can't. You just have to either believe or not. It is called "free will". ;)
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Re: Problems with Judiasm/Christianity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46794.msg1246220#msg1246220
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2016, 12:51:12 pm »
it's also called ingnorce sometimes :P

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Re: Problems with Judiasm/Christianity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46794.msg1246222#msg1246222
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2016, 12:57:16 pm »
it's also called ingnorce sometimes :P
It is an "ignorance" that works both ways. You can't prove God exists as well as you can't prove God does not exist. You just make your choice here. That's why it is called faith. Otherwise, it would be called science. :P
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Re: Problems with Judiasm/Christianity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46794.msg1246237#msg1246237
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2016, 01:30:37 pm »
Bible literalism is a relatively new phenomenon, and relatively rare within Christianity.  The leaders of most Christian denominations agree that much of the Bible is metaphorical or allegorical in nature.

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Re: Problems with Judiasm/Christianity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46794.msg1246239#msg1246239
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2016, 01:45:59 pm »
God is an intelligent person, and doesn't separate people with religions base.
a person who knows how to respect his fellowmen is not fit to live in a paradise, is simple so :)
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Re: Problems with Judiasm/Christianity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46794.msg1246240#msg1246240
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2016, 01:51:02 pm »
Bible literalism is a relatively new phenomenon, and relatively rare within Christianity.  The leaders of most Christian denominations agree that much of the Bible is metaphorical or allegorical in nature.

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Wikipedia!

Not a valid scholarly source, blah, blah.
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Re: Problems with Judiasm/Christianity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46794.msg1246242#msg1246242
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2016, 01:55:16 pm »
That seems to say the opposite.

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Biblical literalism first became an issue in the 18th century
This is saying that until the 18th century, most people (Christians) accepted the bible as literal. Am I reading this wrong?

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Re: Problems with Judiasm/Christianity https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46794.msg1246243#msg1246243
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2016, 02:08:45 pm »
Well, it depends on what you mean by literalism. I'm taking it to mean "All things in the bible literally happened" vs "some things in the bible literally happened and other things are metaphors."

It says that there existed strains of literalist thought, just as there were allegorical/metaphorical lines of thinking at around the same time-- when it mentions Augustine of Hippo, you could argue whether that meant he was a literalist or not depending on what definition you're using.
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