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Re: Logic Restriction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28147.msg403599#msg403599
« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2011, 07:57:51 pm »
Actually, so long as he warps our perception, he can make any sort of 'ideas' become any other sort of 'ideas'. However, nonsense will always be nonsense, so I guess the 'boulder' argument and the 'round square' still work in this regard. Just saying that God can supposedly change our perceptions by any means. Now, saying 'God can't sin' is based on the idea of sin. We seem to have one idea constructed based on the laws that God supposedly gave us. As such, if he were to do something, it obviously wouldn't be interpreted as sin. :/ Kinda ad hoc, in my opinion. Whatever he decides to be moral is apparently the accepted dogma in a religious community. At least I'm glad we're growing to function on a moral system independent of (despite being inherently based on) the contributions of religious influence.
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Re: Logic Restriction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28147.msg403699#msg403699
« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2011, 11:01:49 pm »
OK, you're talking about bending perceptions, not reality, so it's not actually relevant. Regardless, I'm trying to coherently present a concept, not argue for it(yet).

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Re: Logic Restriction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28147.msg403883#msg403883
« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2011, 05:26:05 am »
God does have the power to sin, but his own nature does not allow him to do it, so in one sense he can't but he has the power to do it.

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Re: Logic Restriction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28147.msg403891#msg403891
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2011, 05:56:43 am »
God does have the power to sin, but his own nature does not allow him to do it, so in one sense he can't but he has the power to do it.
If this nature is deterministic then God does not have the power to sin. If this nature is nondeterministic then God's nature does not make him unable to sin.

A better phrasing would be: God can sin but won't.
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Re: Logic Restriction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28147.msg404875#msg404875
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2011, 09:13:10 pm »
A better phrasing would be: God can sin but won't.
Very true.

As for the Boulder and round square thing, a lot of Christians say that God is omnipotent is because people in the bible said that. And I'm sure that many of us would also seem omnipotent to those people. A lot has been lost in translation.
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Re: Logic Restriction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28147.msg405066#msg405066
« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2011, 01:28:20 am »
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because people in the bible said that.
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Re: Logic Restriction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28147.msg405071#msg405071
« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2011, 01:35:37 am »
johanns right, there realy isn't a reference in the bible that actually says he is omnipotence

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Re: Logic Restriction https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28147.msg405105#msg405105
« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2011, 02:23:00 am »
I do not know of any usages of the word omnipotent. However:

Jeremiah 35:17
 "So the Lord God All-Powerful, the God of Israel, says: 'I will soon bring every disaster I said would come to Judah and to everyone living in Jerusalem. I spoke to those people, but they refused to listen. I called out to them, but they did not answer me.' "

and:

Zepheniah 2:9
"So the Lord All-Powerful, the God of Israel, says..."

These are but two of many times when a phrase similar or exactly like that was used. I believe that it has been misunderstood to mean, "The Lord God who-can-do-anything-even-defy-logic." This is what I meant in my previous post. People have misconstrued the descriptive word 'omnipotent' to mean whatever may fit their needs at the time, and as such, many arguments such as the boulder or round square have come up.
       
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