Is homosexuality a sin?

[Belthus]

You can't break out atheists and agnostics from the unaffiliated believers, because there are no atheists or agnostics in that group. All of them believe in God, but are non denominational.

No, you are mistaken. Pew's definition of unaffiliated (http://pewforum.org/Topics/Religious-Affiliation/Unaffiliated/): "This group includes atheists, agnostics and people who describe their religion as 'nothing in particular.' This latter group can be further divided into 'secular unaffiliated' and 'religious unaffiliated.'"

As to not being a moral issue, that seems to me to be kinda like the people that just don't want to get involved. It's like answering "maybe" to a yes or no question.

Murder is a moral issue of right vs. wrong. So is theft. Liking chocolate is not a moral issue of right vs. wrong.

Imo, conservatives say morally wrong, moderates say not a moral issue, and liberals say morally acceptable.

Look at the chart again. 75% of conservative Republicans say that homosexuality is morally wrong, 8% say morally acceptable, 13% say not a moral issue. As you move toward the more liberal end, the morally wrong percentage goes down, the morally acceptable percentage doesn't change much (slightly up), and the not-a-moral-issue response goes up a lot.

[Boingo]

Boingo, you're using statistics gathered from a Catholic education center... obviously they support the catholic view and image. That statistic is almost guaranteed to be biased.

That statistic is from a non-Catholic researcher.  You are welcome to provide a different source of reliable data if you like.

As a side note, why did you not call into question other statements such as "the vast majority of...." and "there is a strong tradition of paedophilic tendencies..." that were offered without any basis whatsoever?

It is well-understood that the last chic prejudice in the US is anti-Catholicism.  What I'm coming to understand is that this phenomenon is not restricted to the US.

[Boingo]

Repressed/surpressed urges = Baaaad effects later in life... it the person lives long enough without killing oneself. *Freud forever!*

Self-control is for prudes and nerds, eh?  Do whatever you like, otherwise you'll end up killing yourself!

[SeddyRocky]

Repressed/surpressed urges = Baaaad effects later in life... it the person lives long enough without killing oneself. *Freud forever!*

Self-control is for prudes and nerds, eh?  Do whatever you like, otherwise you'll end up killing yourself!

My post was slightly less serious than that. It was spiked with a bit of irony (I thought that the *Freud forever* thing would have made that obvious) is repressed urges are what Freud believed caused many of the psychological problems/diseses we see today

And I would like to add, as a nerd but probably not a prude:
Self-control is one thing, denying your sexuality is another. If you, (I'm simply assuming that you are a heterosexual) had to abstain from women your entire life and pretend to like men, would that make you any happier?

[johannhowitzer]

Self-control is for prudes and nerds, eh?  Do whatever you like, otherwise you'll end up killing yourself!

As a 26-year-old virgin-by-choice (I'm one of those people who wants to save sex for marriage), I have no sympathy for people who demand gratification.  And I'm pretty happy and well-adjusted! 

[SeddyRocky]

Self-control is for prudes and nerds, eh?  Do whatever you like, otherwise you'll end up killing yourself!

As a 26-year-old virgin-by-choice (I'm one of those people who wants to save sex for marriage), I have no sympathy for people who demand gratification.  And I'm pretty happy and well-adjusted! 

Now, I respect people wanting to save themselves for marriage (it is a very logical and furfilling path, which I see no reason to smudge) but why do you have to state that you have no sympathy for those who demand gratification (ok, demand is not exactly a nice style, but still). Is it not possible to accept others way of life AND be happy with your own?

Note: My english skills do not have an adequate translation for "demand gratification" so I may have misinterpretated your post.

[Artois]

Self-control is for prudes and nerds, eh?  Do whatever you like, otherwise you'll end up killing yourself!

As a 26-year-old virgin-by-choice (I'm one of those people who wants to save sex for marriage), I have no sympathy for people who demand gratification.  And I'm pretty happy and well-adjusted! 

Is marriage natural?  Saving yourself for your 'future' bride, is all well and good, but what if you don't meet her until you are 57 years old?  What if you meet her next week, but after 3 years of marriage, you come to the conclusion she is not the right one?  Just a few of life's conundrums...

[kalkiran]

your translation of demand gratification is propbably accurate

[Artois]

your translation of demand gratification is propbably accurate

Demand gratification?!  I'd give it away (especially if she is cute) 

[Boingo]

Repressed/surpressed urges = Baaaad effects later in life... it the person lives long enough without killing oneself. *Freud forever!*

Self-control is for prudes and nerds, eh?  Do whatever you like, otherwise you'll end up killing yourself!

My post was slightly less serious than that. It was spiked with a bit of irony (I thought that the *Freud forever* thing would have made that obvious) is repressed urges are what Freud believed caused many of the psychological problems/diseses we see today

I understood you to be less than absolutely serious--I just wanted to poke a hole in the conclusion, that's all. 

[Artois]

Repressed/surpressed urges = Baaaad effects later in life... it the person lives long enough without killing oneself. *Freud forever!*

Self-control is for prudes and nerds, eh?  Do whatever you like, otherwise you'll end up killing yourself!

My post was slightly less serious than that. It was spiked with a bit of irony (I thought that the *Freud forever* thing would have made that obvious) is repressed urges are what Freud believed caused many of the psychological problems/diseses we see today

I understood you to be less than absolutely serious--I just wanted to poke a hole in the conclusion, that's all. 

Freud is turning in his grave...

[SeddyRocky]

Chocolate chip cookies of Ka-CHING to Boingo and Artois!

And on a side note:

Is marriage natural?  Saving yourself for your 'future' bride, is all well and good, but what if you don't meet her until you are 57 years old?  What if you meet her next week, but after 3 years of marriage, you come to the conclusion she is not the right one?  Just a few of life's conundrums...

Natrual and natrual... We eat refined sugar, chemicals that never existed in nature, engage in extremly odd activities that does not benefit us directly or indirectly... Natural is not always human And well, so what if you meet your wife when you'r 57? There are kama sutra books for the golden years.