Is homosexuality a sin?

[BluePriest]

biblically?

[Artois]

We all know the bible says homosexuality is wrong, where is the debate in that?

[kalkiran]

ok maybe i was wrong before -homosexuality might be a sin depending on your interpretation of the bible, because "sin" is a biblical measure of immorality.
However once homosexuality is said to be a sin-they cease to be a useful measure of immorality.

[Glitch]

We all know the bible says homosexuality is wrong, where is the debate in that?

Just because the bible says something doesn't make it a sin.

[BluePriest]

Outside of the bible, Ill be plain and simple and say this.
1)I think its against nature
2)I dont think you are born that way. I think its a choice you make, a choice we all make.
So, even outside of biblical doctrine, I think its wrong.

[Glitch]

Outside of the bible, Ill be plain and simple and say this.
1)I think its against nature
2)I dont think you are born that way. I think its a choice you make, a choice we all make.
So, even outside of biblical doctrine, I think its wrong.

Might I ask you something?  At which point did you wake up and say "I think I'll like the opposite sex today".  If it's honestly a choice, let's do a simple experiment.  Why don't you go "chose" to be gay for about a week or so.  Go get a crush one someone of the same sex, maybe have a summer romance, but once you get bored chose to go back.  Maybe it'll be enlightening.

[Artois]

Outside of the bible, Ill be plain and simple and say this.
1)I think its against nature  Why?  It is well documented in nature.
2)I dont think you are born that way. I think its a choice you make, a choice we all make.
How do you or I know this?  Why would anyone 'choose' to be gay?  Surely you are either born 'naturally' that way, or you are not?
So, even outside of biblical doctrine, I think its wrong.

[Harikaze]

it's a sin according to the bible
now whether you believe the bible is something else

[Artois]

it's a sin according to the bible
now whether you believe the bible is something else

Ok, so it's a sin according to the bible (& probably the Quaran?)
However, are the Holy Books the only decider of what is or isn't a sin?

As BluePriest has stated, that regardless of the bible, it is 'wrong' in his opinion.

[BluePriest]

Im going to take an atheistic approach for a moment here. Not something I do very often, but still, Im going to do it nonetheless.

As stated in Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene, The driving force behind evolution is survival.

---Ill be clear here, that Richard Dawkins WASNT trying to set moral standards. He was just saying how things are on an evolutionary level.---

Now, I do wholeheartedly believe that he wasnt trying to set moral standards, and just try to state things as they appear, however, how they appear is simply that if you do not reproduce, then you do not fulfill your purpose of self preservation. The goal, is to be able to have the best (reproductive Capability : Lifespan) ratio as possible.

---Im going to make people angry here, especially if you have homosexual friends, so sorry, I give a heads up that this is not how I feel, however, this is my view with my religion pushed aside---

 Turning pure homosexual, does not reproduce, unless you do a sperm implant, and that isnt as effective as the normal way of getting pregnant,  therefor it is more or less a step down the evolutionary chain instead of up.
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Now that I said that, let me go about and defend myself a little
1)As I said, all of that is just science there. No feeling, no religion, no nothing. I wasnt trying to be politically correct, and if someone thinks the post was too out of line,  then I will gladly delete it.
2)I am not saying that people should have sex as soon as they are able to repoduce.
3)I am not saying im against birth control by this post.
4)I am not saying go out and have as much sex as possible so that you keep your reproductive capability as high as possible.
5)Honestly, even though I dont agree with being homosexual, I would never do any sort of hate crime towards you, as I in the same token, I believe that we should all be free to make our own choices.

[Chemist]

Ok, so it's a sin according to the bible (& probably the Quaran?)
However, are the Holy Books the only decider of what is or isn't a sin?

A sin is a transgression of divine law. So holy books do define what does and what doesn't constitute a sin. But we shouldn't go confusing 'sin' for 'morally wrong'. The majority of the people in the world sees nothing morally wrong with eating pork. The majority sees nothing morally wrong with eating beef. The majority sees nothing morally wrong with eating oysters. Yet Muslims do see eating pork as morally wrong, Hindus see eating beef as morally wrong, Christians used to see eating oysters as morally wrong and many vegans see all of the aforementioned as morally wrong. This only goes to show that morals aren't absolute; they vary with culture, part of which is religion.

2)I dont think you are born that way. I think its a choice you make, a choice we all make.

Actually certain genes are known to alter sexual orientation, while still having their ways of staying in the gene pool. I'm not saying that homosexuality is caused by genes alone, but I agree with Gl1tch that it isn't a choice one makes, nor that it is something one can change. Have you ever heard of asexuals? Like bisexuals can fall in love and are sexually attracted to either sex, asexuals are attracted to neither. They feel averse to any and all romantic relationships the same way a straight person feels averse to romantic relationships with a person of the same sex. If a person could freely choose their own sexual orientation then the priests under celibate would simply choose to be asexual. Instead they have to fight their true feelings - because your sexual orientation is not something you get to choose.

Finally, I'd like to say I agree with the following:

The Biblical objection to homosexuality is hypocritical, because those who condemn it do not condemn just as vigorously other prohibited behaviors such as wearing clothing made of two kinds of material (Lev. 19: 19), trimming or shaving sideburns (Lev. 19: 27), getting tattoos (Lev. 19: 28), and charging interest (Deut. 23: 19-20). People who condemn homosexuality do so not because the Bible tells them to, but, ultimately, because they want to. People who condemn others should first examine the morality of their own judgments.

[SeddyRocky]

Im going to take an atheistic approach for a moment here. Not something I do very often, but still, Im going to do it nonetheless.

As stated in Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene, The driving force behind evolution is survival.

---Ill be clear here, that Richard Dawkins WASNT trying to set moral standards. He was just saying how things are on an evolutionary level.---

Now, I do wholeheartedly believe that he wasnt trying to set moral standards, and just try to state things as they appear, however, how they appear is simply that if you do not reproduce, then you do not fulfill your purpose of self preservation. The goal, is to be able to have the best (reproductive Capability : Lifespan) ratio as possible.

---Im going to make people angry here, especially if you have homosexual friends, so sorry, I give a heads up that this is not how I feel, however, this is my view with my religion pushed aside---

 Turning pure homosexual, does not reproduce, unless you do a sperm implant, and that isnt as effective as the normal way of getting pregnant,  therefor it is more or less a step down the evolutionary chain instead of up.
________________________________________________________________________________________
Now that I said that, let me go about and defend myself a little
1)As I said, all of that is just science there. No feeling, no religion, no nothing. I wasnt trying to be politically correct, and if someone thinks the post was too out of line,  then I will gladly delete it.
2)I am not saying that people should have sex as soon as they are able to repoduce.
3)I am not saying im against birth control by this post.
4)I am not saying go out and have as much sex as possible so that you keep your reproductive capability as high as possible.
5)Honestly, even though I dont agree with being homosexual, I would never do any sort of hate crime towards you, as I in the same token, I believe that we should all be free to make our own choices.

Personally, I dislike that you say "turning" homosexual as it is hardly something most people would willingly do, as it would put them into one of the most prosecuted, discriminated and hated groups in the world.  Even, so, if the argument is the lack of ability to reproduce, how about:
- Sterile heterosexuals? Should they not be allowed to be?
- Elder people/(other reason) whom have lost fertility?
- Any non-child-bearing sex (basically, using a condom, birth control, oralsex, etc)?

Add to the fact that homosexuals have, as far as history have taught us, always existed, both in humanity and animals (there's actually a specie of chimpanzee that are 100% bisexual).

Side note: Fertility drugs often used with artificial insemination actually do ensure even better chances of concieving that a regular attempt at conception.


Oh, but I'm just a liberal swede, what do I know... I do know that you in no way have to approve of homosexuality, or give reason for why, but if you do give reasons they should be valid ones.