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Re: IF your religion was proved to be incorrect, how would you change. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12675.msg184152#msg184152
« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2010, 03:08:39 am »
Quote from: Korugar on October 25, 2010, 03:01:03 am
So you want an omnipotent babysitter?
so you'd rather let people be killed because you don't like being babysitted?
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Re: IF your religion was proved to be incorrect, how would you change. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12675.msg184156#msg184156
« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2010, 03:17:20 am »
No, but I'd rather die at an early age than go to hell when I die.
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Re: IF your religion was proved to be incorrect, how would you change. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12675.msg184165#msg184165
« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2010, 03:38:28 am »
Quote from: Korugar on October 25, 2010, 03:17:20 am
No, but I'd rather die at an early age than go to hell when I die.
wait what? that makes no sense. So if god intervenes and saves you from being shot then you're gonna go to hell (assuming there is one that you could attend which you still need to demonstrate)
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Re: IF your religion was proved to be incorrect, how would you change. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12675.msg184178#msg184178
« Reply #63 on: October 25, 2010, 03:53:01 am »
All right, I'll expound a little. If everyone in the world had ultimate protection(nothing bad ever happened to them), most and/or all people would ignore God. After all, if we see that he does everything for us with or without us obeying him, what reasons would we have for obedience? Sure, you can make the claim that we would do so to get to heaven, but would we? We wouldn't ever see a side of God that disciplines us, so we would believe that God wouldn't ever hurt us, etc.
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Re: IF your religion was proved to be incorrect, how would you change. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12675.msg184188#msg184188
« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2010, 04:01:34 am »
Quote from: Korugar on October 25, 2010, 03:53:01 am
All right, I'll expound a little. If everyone in the world had ultimate protection(nothing bad ever happened to them), most and/or all people would ignore God. After all, if we see that he does everything for us with or without us obeying him, what reasons would we have for obedience? Sure, you can make the claim that we would do so to get to heaven, but would we? We wouldn't ever see a side of God that disciplines us, so we would believe that God wouldn't ever hurt us, etc.
simple. Do onto others as you would like to have done onto you.
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Re: IF your religion was proved to be incorrect, how would you change. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12675.msg184192#msg184192
« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2010, 04:06:27 am »
Please explain...
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Re: IF your religion was proved to be incorrect, how would you change. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12675.msg184196#msg184196
« Reply #66 on: October 25, 2010, 04:21:46 am »
Quote from: Korugar on October 25, 2010, 04:06:27 am
Please explain...
You mean explain morality? First of all I have no idea what you mean when you say obedient to god. i'm assuming being moral. But the statement speaks for itself do onto others as you would like to have done onto you
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Re: IF your religion was proved to be incorrect, how would you change. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12675.msg184419#msg184419
« Reply #67 on: October 25, 2010, 01:57:49 pm »
Morality is a side effect of obedience to God. Actually, I didn't word that sentence very well. We're called to love him and live our lives for him. Obedience is a side effect of that. And no, I'm not asking you to explain morality, I want to know what you're trying to say when you say "do unto others what you would have them do unto you".
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Re: IF your religion was proved to be incorrect, how would you change. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12675.msg184523#msg184523
« Reply #68 on: October 25, 2010, 06:25:50 pm »
Quote from: Korugar on October 25, 2010, 01:57:49 pm
And no, I'm not asking you to explain morality, I want to know what you're trying to say when you say "do unto others what you would have them do unto you".
Put in other words, you should treat other people in the way that you want others to treat you.

If you collapsed in the street from a heart attack, you would probably want nearby people to check on you, to call for medical help, etc. You wouldn't want them to walk around you as if you were a mere obstacle or to steal your wallet.
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Re: IF your religion was proved to be incorrect, how would you change. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12675.msg184524#msg184524
« Reply #69 on: October 25, 2010, 06:27:16 pm »
I understand the concept, it's how I try and live. I just don't understand how it was relevant to what we were talking about.
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Re: IF your religion was proved to be incorrect, how would you change. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12675.msg184598#msg184598
« Reply #70 on: October 25, 2010, 08:43:55 pm »
Quote from: Korugar on October 25, 2010, 06:27:16 pm
I understand the concept, it's how I try and live. I just don't understand how it was relevant to what we were talking about.
well you said being obedient to god and by that I assumed you meant morality which is why i provided the quote
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Re: IF your religion was proved to be incorrect, how would you change. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12675.msg184615#msg184615
« Reply #71 on: October 25, 2010, 09:16:43 pm »
So you were clarifying what I was saying?
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